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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
CHARGED TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS. SO I HAVE AN INSIDER'S PERSPECTIVE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT FACE US AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IN THE SAME POSITION 20...
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Crane, Chris - President
MY EARLIER REPORTS TO NAPOLITANO BY CLAIMING THAT I HAD LIED ABOUT MY MILITARY TRAINING ON MY RESUME. THE INVESTIGATION THAT FOLLOWED REQUIRED THAT...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN TO SECURE OUR BORDERS, THIS INCLUDES ENFORCING UNLAWFUL ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, WHICH CAUSES FISCAL AND SECURITY BURDENS...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
THAT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, FROM STAFFING ALL THE WAY TO APPREHENSIONS IN THE WORK FORCE, THE LEVEL OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES NOW...
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Bachus, Spencer - U.S. Representative, [R] Alabama
COULD I SUMMARIZE PART OF IT IS OUR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IS FAILING? >> YES. I THINK THAT WE HAVE NOT -- WE'VE NOT DONE ALL WE NEED TO DO. I...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
TO GET ENFORCEMENT RIGHT, AND GET RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO, OTHERWISE WE'LL BE IN THE SAME POSITION. >> I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY...
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Bachus, Spencer - U.S. Representative, [R] Alabama
AN ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS UNION. IS THAT A WIDESPREAD PRACTICE FOR THEM TO VERBALLY TELL YOU, JUST TO ASSUME THAT EVERYONE HAS A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA,...
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Crane, Chris - President
WHO WE CAN AND CANNOT ARREST. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE INSTRUCTIONS DO COME VERBALLY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING ISN'T RIGHT AND...
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Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
BE INCREASED, AFTER WE REFORM THE LAW SO IT WORKS. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN STATED THAT PEOPLE WHO CHEAT, YOU KNOW, END UP GETTING AN ADVANTAGE -- EXCUSE...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
THOUGHT THAT THE H2A PROGRAM, OR THE REPLENISHMENT AGRICULTURAL WORKER PROGRAM THAT WAS GOING TO FOLLOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMEPREHENSIVE RESPONSE...
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King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
TO MR. CHRISTI, IN YOUR TESTIMONY. I'M CURIOUS IF -- YOU TALKED ABOUT THE VIOLATION OF OUR TAX LAWS AND LABOR LAWS. AND I'M CURIOUS IF YOU BELIEVE...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
PEOPLE WHO ARE UNLAWFULLY HERE, THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE SAME TAX REGIME. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS CREATING INCENTIVE TO HIRE UNAUTHORIZED. >> IF...
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Crane, Chris - President
JUST NEVER ENFORCED THEM. UNTIL WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE WHATEVER LAWS WE HAVE, IT'S NEVER GOING TO WORK. >> THANK YOU. AND MS. WOOD, WELCOME...
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King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DEPORTED. WHEN YOU HEAR THAT TESTIMONY, DO YOU THINK OF PEOPLE THAT WERE -- THAT LEFT THE UNITED STATES, AND ACTUALLY...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
QUESTION IS, ARE WE THEN LOOKING FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, ARE WE ARRESTING THEM, AND ARE WE ORDERING THEM TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. IN SOME CASES THEY...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
STAFFING AGENCIES. THEY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CREATES DIFFICULTIES FOR THEM TO NOT BE ABLE TO BE SURE IF THEY CAN SEND SOMEONE OUT TO A WORKPLACE...
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Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I WANT TO AGAIN ASK THE CHAIRMAN IF I MIGHT PUT INTO THE RECORD THE ENTIRE ARTICLE, JANET NAPOLITANO,...
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Crane, Chris - President
SPECIFICALLY, WITH THE DEFERRED ADD JUDIFICATION FOR DREAM ACT CHILDREN, IS THAT THE PARTICULAR ORDER YOU'RE SPEAKING OF? >> WE'RE SPEAKING IN THE LAWSUIT...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
ADMINISTRATION IS IMPORTANT. I THINK MOST OF THOSE CASES ACTUALLY DO NOT GO TO THE IMMIGRATION COURTS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE THE BACKLOG IS. I...
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Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
OF THE WORK FORCE OF TEXAS, WHICH IS 24 MILLION. THEY GENERATE $14.5 BILLION IN TAX REVENUE FROM UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, AND $77.7 BILLION GROSS STATE...
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Labrador, Raul R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Idaho
THAT WE HAD WITH THE LAST IMMIGRATION REFORM. AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE TALKING ABOUT THE 12 MILLION, AND THAT'S NOT THE...
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| 00:50:08 |
Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
AND REALLY, AGAIN, PUT THE BURDEN ON THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT ON THE EMPLOYER TO WEIGH THAT AND REVIEW THE DRIVER'S LICENSE AND THE SOCIAL SECURITY CARD....
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Crane, Chris - President
SOME KIND OF IDENTITY THEFT TO SOME DEGREE. AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. WE STACK THEM UP LIKE WE'RE DECKS OF CARDS. WE DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
BUILT INTO USCIS, QUALITY CONTROL PROGRAMS, SITE VERIFICATION PROGRAMS, FRAUD ASSESSMENT THEY CALL IT. THERE'S DOUBLE-DIGIT FRAUD IN SOME OF OUR ILLEGAL...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
TO THE EMPLOYEE, THE PERSON IN FRONT OF HIM OR HER, IS THE PERSON THAT IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENT SAYS IT IS. WE NEED TO HAVE DRASTICALLY IMPROVED...
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Chu, Judy - U.S. Representative, [D] California
THAT THAT -- WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEIR POSITIONS SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD. SO I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD THE POSITION PAPERS OF...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGY DEPLOYED SPEAK TO THAT. WE DID NOTE THAT IN OUR FINDINGS THAT THERE IS ONE AREA IN THE BORER ENFORCEMENT THAT STILL IS A WEAKNESS...
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
I DO THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE BRIEF SO I CAN GET ALL OF THEM IN. FIRST OF ALL, TO YOU, MS. WOOD, FORMER IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE ...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IMMIGRATION LAWS TO CHANGE. A LOT OF EQUITIES, CARE. BUT IT'S NOT PROSECUTORIAL...
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FROM ENFORCING U.S. IMMIGRATION LAW UNDER THREAT OF REPEATED DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS UP UNTIL, INCLUDING REMOVAL. IF WE DON'T ENFORCE THOSE LAWS. I...
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Crane, Chris - President
LAW. >> AND, MS. VAUGHAN, DO YOU BELIEVE THE RESOURCES CONGRESS CURRENTLY GIVES I.C.E. ARE SUFFICIENT TO CONTROL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN THE INTERIOR...
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WHICH ARE THE CAVEAT, IF THEY WERE USED AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT THE AGENCY COULD USE SOME MORE FUNDING FOR SOME SPECIFIC PURPOSES,...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
EFFECTIVELY. >> MR. CHISHTI, YOU STATED IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE COMBINED BUDGETS OF U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, U.S.
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VISIT, EXCEED BY ONE QUARTER THE COMBINED BUDGETS OF ALL OTHER PRINCIPAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND THAT MOST...
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
MUCH? >> MR. CHAIR, WE DON'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CUTTING ANYTHING. WE DON'T -- WE DON'T MAKE
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A CASE THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH SPENDING DONE ON BORDER. WE DON'T MAKE A CASE TOO MUCH STAFFING ON BORDER. ALL WE PRESENT IS HOW MUCH WE HAVE DONE. A GOOD...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
AS WELL. >> LET ME DO THAT WITH ONE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE TURN TO OUR NEXT MEMBER FOR QUESTIONING AND THAT IS THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD CUT...
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LAND PORTS WHICH, AFTER ALL IS WHERE MOST -- THE LARGEST NUMBER OF VISITORS ENTER. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT LAND VISITORS GET THE SAME LEVEL OF...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
CASE RECENTLY. >> MR. CRANE. >> I KNOW YOU'RE FOCUSED AT THE BORDER BUT WHAT IS YOUR SPER PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE INTERIOR? >> I WORK OUT OF SALT LAKE...
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TO MY HEART. TWO COMMENTS ON MISS VAUGHAN'S COMMENTS. I STRONGLY AGREE WITH HER COMMENTS ON THE WORK SITE ENFORCEMENT. WITH REGARD TO THE PART SHERNERSHIPS...
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Crane, Chris - President
MONITORED AND MANAGED. >> YOU DON'T OBJECT TO THE CONCEPT? >> NO SIR, NOT AT ALL, I THINK IT'S GREAT. WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN UTAH AT ONE POINT WAS SEE...
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RECENT OVERSTAYS AND TARGET INDIVIDUALS TO GO OUT AND FIND THEM. THE SECOND THING I WOULD DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ENTER FROM VISA WAIVER...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
BE HELPFUL. >> VERY GOOD SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. THE CHAIR NOW RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA MR. HOLDING, FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU,...
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DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA HAS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS IN THE COUNTRY, ALONG WITH THAT COMES THE...
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Holding, George - U.S. Representative, [R] North Carolina
RIGHT NOW? >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT, FIRST, WE WOULD ADDRESS THE 11 MILLION OR SO HERE AND START OUT WITH
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
ZERO? >> THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION. BUT IF WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE 11 MILLION, WE JUST ADDRESSED THEM WITH LAWS WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS NOW,...
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NOT LEGAL AND LEGALIZING THEM AND THEN WE WILL PROVIDE THESE ENFORCEMENT MEASURES. SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE A TRIGGER BEFORE THE ILLEGALITY....
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DeSantis, Ron - U.S. Representative, [R] Florida
LAW? >> WELL, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOUR CONFIDENCE LEVEL IS LOW, GIVEN KIND OF THE HISTORY OF PROBLEMS AND -- BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THE OPPOSITE...
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WAITING AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FIXING THIS PROBLEM MAGICALLY NOW. SO I THINK THAT'S THE COMPELLING REASON TO LOOK. CAN WE GET A MEANINGFUL...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
CONTINUE. >> IT'S FUNNY YOU ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, SIR, BECAUSE I'M UP HERE NEXT WEEK, AND I INTENDED TO COME UP AND ASK YOU FOLKS HOW DO YOU PUT SOMETHING...
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JOB. MY CONFIDENCE LEVEL RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, IS ZERO THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOBS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. SO I'M...
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Crane, Chris - President
TIME. >> GREAT. MISS VAUGHAN, WHAT -- I HEAR THE TERM THERE'S 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY WITHOUT DOCUMENTS, DEPENDING
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ON WHICH SIDE OF THE AISLE YOU'RE ON, I GUESS YOU SAY. WHERE DOES THAT FIGURE COME FROM? HOW MUCH CONFIDENCE DO YOU HAVE IN IT? IS IT POSSIBLE THERE'S...
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DeSantis, Ron - U.S. Representative, [R] Florida
TO THAT? >> I THINK THERE ACTUALLY IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONSENSUS AROUND THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER WE'RE USING NOW IS 11.5
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MILLION. THE WAY OUR STAFF DEMOG FER, DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH CALCULATES THAT IS, USE CENSUS BUREAU DATA TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE AND SUBTRACT...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
AS WELL. >> MY FINAL QUESTION IS JUST, I KNOW IN '06 WHEN THIS WAS DEBATED THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE CAME OUT WITH. AN ESTIMATE IT WOULD BE ...
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ARRESTED 27,600 GANG MEMBERS IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT TO YOU, MR.
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Bachus, Spencer - U.S. Representative, [R] Alabama
CRANE? >> THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THEY HAVE STATS ON BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY FAR HIGHER THAN THAT. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF FOLKS WE ENCOUNTER IN JAILS...
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Crane, Chris - President
WE HAVE 11 MILLION, 11.5 MILLION IMMIGRANTS AND MORE THAN 27,000 OF THEM ARRESTED FOR BEING GANG MEMBERS? >> YES. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS....
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NONCITIZENS? >> YES. >>
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OKAY. I NOTICED, I WAS DOING SOME CALCULATION, I BUMPED IT UP WHEN YOU WENT FROM 11 TO 11.5 MILLION. BUT TAKING 11.5 MILLION, THAT'S 3.4.5% OF OUR...
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IMMIGRANT POPULATION'S MORE LIKE, I THINK, 20-SOME. >> THAT'S
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BOTH, LEGAL AND ILLEGAL? >> IT'S
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30-SOME, ABOUT 35 MILLION COMBINED NONCITIZEN. >> THAT -- NOW THAT --
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BUT THAT INCLUDES NATURALIZED CITIZENS, DOES IT NOT? I THINK THAT'S FOREIGN BORN. >> THAT'S FOREIGN BORN. >> YOU HAVE TO TAKE --
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| 01:28:51 |
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YOU HAVE TO BACK OUT A THIRD OF THAT. SO SAY 3.5 AND 3.5, 7%. THAT INCLUDES ILLEGAL AND LEGAL RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT -- WHO HAD NOT BEEN NATURALIZED...
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U.S. SENTENCING COMMISSION HAS ON ITS WEBSITE. SO I HAVE PRETTY GOOD CONFIDENCE. >>
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ACCORDING TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. I NOTICED THAT MR. CRANE, THIS -- THIS IS REALLY DISTURBING, AND I -- I REALLY EMPATHIZE WITH YOU. I CAN'T...
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YES, SIR. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IF YOU LOOK AT DECEMBER 21, 2012 DETAINER POLICY I.C.E. JUST PUT OUT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, ONE, THEY'RE ILLEGALLY...
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Crane, Chris - President
LIST -- >> SERIOUS FELLNY? >> FELONY, SERIOUS MISDEMEANORS, EXCLUDES MANY OTHER INSIGNIFICANT MISDEMEANORS WHICH NONE OF US REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS....
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
GREAT CONTRIBUTION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 1986, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW IN GETTING CLEAR GUIDANCE...
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Wood, Julie Myers - Assistant Secretary
IT IS AND WE NEED ALMOST A KIND OF RESET WHERE WE ARE TO MOVE FORWARD AND A PRODUCTIVE ENFORCEMENT MANNER. WHAT I SUGGEST IS TO LOOK HONESTLY AT WHAT...
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Crane, Chris - President
AGENCIES IN THIS WAY. ONCE THEY APPOINT THE DIRECTOR OF THE AGENCY THEY SEEM LIKE THEY HAVE SOLE CONTROL. WHEN WE COME AND TALK TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS,...
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
YOU HAVE FURTHER IDEAS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE THEM WITH US. MISS VAUGHAN? >> I THINK IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT CONGRESS REASSERT ITS AUTHORITY,...
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Vaughan, Jessica M. - Director
TO ASK FOR THAT WILL SET IN MOTION THE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT'S BEEN TALKED. I THINK THAT PACKAGE, WHAT'S KNOWN AS CIR, IS A...
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
HAD THIS ROBUST MACHINERY BUILT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH CONGRESSIONAL APPROPRIATIONS OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS ESPECIALLY SINCE 9/11. THAT'S I THINK...
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
WE CLEAN THIS SLATE BECAUSE HAVING SO MANY PEOPLE DOES NOT -- U.S. WORKERS DOES NOT HELP ECONOMIC
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Chishti, Muzaffar - Director
INTERESTS, ALL OF THAT. NOW WHAT WE SHOULD NOT GET HERE, AGAIN, IS LESSONS FROM 1986. AND THIS IS WHERE UNFORTUNATELY THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF THIS...
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Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Representative, [R] Virginia
BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. THIS CONCLUDES TODAY'S HEARING. THANKS TO ALL OF OUR WITNESSES TO FOR ATTENDING. ALL MEMBERS HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO...
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