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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Good afternoon. Thanks for being here at the White House. I have no announcements, so let’s go straight to questions. Jim. |
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Thank you, Jay. Fiscal cliff: At the start of the negotiations, the White House welcomed the Republican movement toward revenue. You guys said that... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, it sounds like you’ve gotten some points for you. Let’s just be clear. There is one party to these negotiations who has put forward a specific... |
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I guess the question was where has the President moved toward the Republicans -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I think, as it's been reported -- of course, not by us, but has been described by those who have received it -- the President has moved in his... |
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The Speaker also said that the debt ceiling demands just would never pass Congress. Is that something that's negotiable to you? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, here's what the President is proposing. He's proposing that the legislation authored by Senator McConnell -- not a noted Obama sympathizer --... |
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But it sounds like this demand -- you would not let that demand hold up a deal if there’s -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Here's what I'll say about that. The President believes Congress ought to do its job. Let's remember what a vote to raise the debt ceiling is. It... |
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Has the administration given a written offer to the Speaker? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I’m not going to get into specifics. Although since so much of this seems to leak from elsewhere, I think it’s known that we have exchanged offers. |
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Yes, but you keep deriding their offer as nonspecific because it’s just a short letter. But it’s my understanding that the Geithner offer was verbal.... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I’m not going to get into specifics, but everything that's behind -- |
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-- the measure of seriousness, your offer wasn’t even written. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, again, Jessica, everything that -- every conversation that we’ve had with Congress both at the level of Secretary Geithner and Rob Nabors and... |
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So do you dispute that? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I don't understand what you're saying. So we have the documentation; they have the documentation. If you’re saying, verbally, if he repeats... |
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It was in the original proposal, you’re saying, from this -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
That's correct. |
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-- but it wasn’t -- when Geithner went up to the Hill, he didn’t present it -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
But that is our proposal. They know what our -- |
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So he was reiterating a past proposal? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Right. We have put forward specific cuts. And let me remind you that even the House Republican budget, which is sometimes cited as the source for... |
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Does the White House dispute the Speaker’s contention that negotiations are at the 11th hour now? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I’m not sure if we are 11/12’s of the way through the year -- we are, we’re even beyond that. So I think that’s a fair assessment that... |
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So does the President feel it’s incumbent on him to make a new offer now? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
The President does not believe that he should negotiate with himself. He has made abundantly clear that Republicans need to accept the fact that rates... |
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Speaker Boehner has said he is leaving town tomorrow and he won’t be here this weekend. Does the President read this as a sign that negotiations... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, look, there’s no question that we haven’t reached an agreement. It’s also true that the parameters of an agreement are very clear, and... |
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Is that worrisome? You guys need to be making -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, look, I think it’s worrisome for the American people that thus far the House Republican leadership has refused to accept the fundamental principle... |
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Okay, on a different topic. As senator, President Obama repeatedly traveled to Iraq and Afghanistan with then-Senator Chuck Hagel. He has said flattering... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
You’re asking me, I can tell, to engage in conversation about potential personnel decisions the President is making and will make. And I have no... |
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Well, we know Mr. Hagel has met with the President and Vice President. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
The President thinks very highly of Senator Hagel. I think a lot of people in Washington and around the country, and especially in Senator Hagel’s... |
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Was the offer that Speaker Boehner made on Tuesday different from the offer that he had made previously? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Again, I’m not going to get into specific -- |
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I’m not asking you for specifics. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, that is a specific difference. What I can say is that we have yet to see -- |
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You say that the President is not going to negotiate with himself -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Here’s what I will tell -- |
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-- which suggests that Speaker Boehner wasn’t offering something different. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Fair enough. Here’s what I will say, is that on the fundamental obstacle, the answer is, no, we have not seen in any of our conversations or offers... |
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Maybe the $800 billion is part of the $1.2 trillion that the President said would be in tax deductions and limited closing loopholes last year. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Again, we see no specificity. And what Jason Furman got up here and described to you in great detail, using solid facts and analysis by independent... |
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There are other contentious issues, including the -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Sure. |
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-- and House Republicans think that the degree to which spending will be reduced or cut is a big, contentious issue. Did the Speaker's second proposal... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
We have not seen any specificity when it comes to spending cuts. We know that Republicans want greater spending cuts, but we don't know how they would... |
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Is there any sort of plan B being discussed, whether with the Speaker or on some sort of separate track, so that if there isn't a deal cut, there is... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
It's a good question. We still believe that a big deal is possible. We believe the parameters are there and we remain confident that if Republicans... |
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Got it. But just in case -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
That's not saying that there -- |
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-- in case of emergency, break glass. Is there some sort of plan B? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
In case of emergency, the House should break the glass; the House Speaker ought to allow the Republicans to vote on extending tax cuts for 98 percent... |
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One last question. The President went to Michigan and he waded into the local controversy there involving right to work. There was violence at some... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I haven't discussed reports like that with him, so I'm not sure he's aware of it. But we deplore violence in any case. And the President feels very... |
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There's been no negotiation back and forth -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I'm sorry, Bill. |
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Thank you. (Laughter.) There's been no negotiations back and forth as far as anybody can tell, in the sense that terms have been discussed, debated,... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I guess it's a question of semantics in terms of what negotiations mean. But we have obviously had meetings and we've had discussions and we've... |
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Right. So nothing happens until they agree -- is that what you're saying? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, no, because we've put forward spending cuts. And if -- |
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Yeah, but you put them forward a long time ago. They were written into a budget and -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Right, and they achieve a significant amount of savings. And if the -- |
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The other side says they don't, they’re never going to pass on that -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Do they? Because the math doesn't back up their words, which is frequently the case. They do achieve significant savings. And what distinguishes... |
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But if you're saying that no negotiation can really begin until they accept your first principle -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
That's not what I'm saying, Bill. That's what you're saying. |
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-- and if the Speaker is saying no negotiation really can begin -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Negotiation is taking place and we've put forward offers. And what we have not seen from the Republicans is any movement at all on the fundamental... |
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Jay, tax reform is a big piece of this. You were outspoken in the last campaign about saying Mitt Romney's use of offshore accounts while legal was... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I'm not even aware of that story, so I don't have an opinion. |
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There were several reports in that last couple of days. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I've been focused on the fiscal cliff, on Syria, on North Korea -- so I'm not aware of those stories. |
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Democrats have talked up the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, because it pretty much hit the election in the weeks and months leading up to it in... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
And what's the Republican view? |
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They don't like that poll as much. They had a poll last night that said if we go off the fiscal cliff and we can't get a compromise, who's to blame?... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I haven't said that. I've said -- you've never heard me say if we go off the cliff, the American people will blame one side or the other. What... |
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As a last question, you're saying the President is committed to getting this done. To follow up on Bill, in terms of negotiations -- and the public... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Speaker Boehner was here -- |
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Earlier in this process you dismissed that idea, but now it's late -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Speaker Boehner was here a few days ago. |
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-- and you just said the parameters of the debate are obvious -- okay, you said parameters are obvious here. So why doesn’t the President bring the... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I’m sure that if -- first of all, the Speaker of the House was here. The President has spoken to the Speaker of the House recently. The Speaker... |
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Q
It's now Thursday and we're getting closer. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Every time that you guys seem to think that a physical meeting is the elixir to all our ills, I think it would behoove you to ask the Speaker if he... |
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If I could just interject -- the Speaker's office says there is cell phone coverage in Ohio, and if the President wants to talk they can. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
And there's actually hard lines here, and I think the Speaker knows that. |
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But will he be talking to him? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I don’t have any phone calls or conversations to preview for you. Kristen. |
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Jay, thanks. I want to go back to the issue of the debt ceiling. You compare it to the McConnell plan. Republicans push back against that. They... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
No, the McConnell plan was separate from the spending cuts that were part of the Affordable Care Act. |
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Well, the concern is -- and House Speaker John Boehner said today that the debt ceiling brings fiscal sanity to Washington. Why is that not true? ... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I think you ought to ask the Speaker if in the 1990s when Bill Clinton was President and Washington was able to erase deficits for the first time in... |
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No, it gives them the power to borrow more. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
To pay for the work that they’ve already done. |
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But to borrow more money. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Correct. |
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And raise the debt. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Okay, so the alternative, which is default, is to not pay for the bills that Congress has incurred. |
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And, Jay, I’m not disputing that it’s a difficult process. But isn’t this the best way to keep deficits in check? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Again, I could go over the history again. In our lifetimes, certainly yours, the last time and the only time that deficits have turned into surpluses... |
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I want to ask one on Syria. Jay, based on your comments yesterday, it appears as though there are no plans to interfere militarily in Syria. But does... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Absolutely not. We have explicitly condemned the use of missiles. It is just another demonstration of the utter depravity of the Assad regime and... |
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Given the escalation, is he in any way considering his red line in Syria? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Our policy remains what it was, and we obviously consult with our allies and others and evaluate the situation regularly. But we believe that providing... |
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We are way beyond the early stage, and the international markets are very concerned. Instability is something that they deplore. Is there one more... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Look, I think that the parameters of an agreement are clear. They’re not complicated. And we hope and look forward to the time when Republicans... |
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Senator Durbin said that the President is no longer open to raising the Medicare eligibility age. Is that the case? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I haven’t seen those remarks, but I can tell you that I’m not going to negotiate specifics of the -- I'm not doubting them, I’m just saying --... |
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But he’s someone from your own party from the President’s home state. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Let me take the answer for the President, which is that we’re not going to engage in hypotheticals about what a package would like on the spending... |
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Why would Senator Durbin say that? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I don't speak for Senator Durbin. Mara. |
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You said there are clear red lines on revenue, no tax cuts for the top 2 percent. Are there clear red lines on entitlements other than keeping Social... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I mean, that’s -- there’s a broad range of crazy ideas I’m sure that I could rule out. But the President is committed to making sensible... |
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That's the only red line you draw -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
No, that's not what I said, Mara. Go back to the beginning of my answer. I’m sure there are all sorts of bad ideas that could be thrown out there... |
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Yesterday, even though Senator Durbin said what he said, to Barbara Walters, the President did not rule out raising the Medicare retirement age. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, again, the President is not going to rule in or rule out things in interviews. He has been trying to have these conversations and negotiations... |
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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told his members today to be prepared to stay here through the weekend before Christmas, into the holidays if a deal... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I don't have any updates on the President’s schedule. The President’s schedule is what it is. And when we have -- if we have adjustments to that... |
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So are you prepared for this to go into the -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I don't think that's required. But again, what we hope to see is some acknowledgement by Republican leaders that existing law when it comes to the... |
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Following up on that question, when does this get to the point where there’s not enough time to get legislation through Congress and to the President’s... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I think that that's a question that you’d have to ask leaders in Congress because they decide the calendar. They have an even deeper understanding... |
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Back to Syria. Russia has said for the first time that it looks like the rebels might win. Does the White House see any sign in this that Russia is... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I saw those remarks. I would say that we certainly agree that Assad will not be a part of Syria’s future. We have noted as the media has the... |
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Jay, quick question. The President is going to be talking to media this afternoon, local media. He's been traveling, trying to apply pressure from... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I can certainly tell you that in the effort to extend the payroll tax cut last year and in the effort to ensure that rates on student loans didn’t... |
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And is it showing -- are there examples of where you can see the ground shifting now? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I don’t have -- I cannot say that a Republican congressman who now believes we ought to extend tax cuts for the middle class and accepts that... |
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Jay, a follow-up to what you said to Kristen really. I, too, am old enough to remember the mid-'90s. And I'm old enough to remember -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Kristen remembers that. I just mean that -- I just want to be clear that the only time in her lifetime there's been a surplus was under Bill Clinton. |
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But before, in '95 and '96, I remember, before the budgets were balanced, we had two major government shutdowns. And it became very personal, the negotiations... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I'm not sure about that assessment. I think that President Clinton and then-Speaker Gingrich continued to talk and negotiate, even though they... |
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They're not slamming the phone down on each other or anything? |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
I have never seen that happen on this end. |
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Two questions on North Korea. A few years ago, Defense Secretary Gates said that North Korea's attempt to develop an ICBM program could in a number... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
On the second question, I think you've seen us be very explicit about our desire to have China exert the influence that it has on North Korea. I think... |
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But, Jay, I guess what I'm asking is -- |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
But in terms of what Secretary Gates said, I don’t have a timeline for you, but we certainly believe, as demonstrated by what we've said in reaction... |
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I guess -- just one more shot at this. The issue up until now has been primarily regional; it's a threat to the South Koreans, it's a threat to the... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, I think it's certainly still the view that is the case, but I don’t have a timeline for you and I would simply refer back to Secretary Gates's... |
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Thanks, Jay. |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Last one. |
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Thank you, Jay. How would you compare the situation with North Korea and with Iran? Are they on the same -- is it the same dynamics that you seek... |
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Carney, James "Jay" - Press Secretary
Well, they are certainly at different stages in the developments of their prohibitive programs, and there are different countries -- there are in some... |