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TWITTER. >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
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HOST: WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT THE RECENT COVER ISSUE OF "WIRED" MAGAZINE ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
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AGENCY BUILDING A NEW AND THE BIGGEST SPY CENTER. JAMES BAMFORD IS JOINING US AND HAS BEEN FOLLOWING A THETHE NSA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. GUEST: THIS IS...
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OF COMMUNICATION. IT WILL SERVE AS A CLOUD. AN AGENCY LISTENING POSTS FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WILL BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THAT COMMUNICATION...
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ALL OVER THE WORLD. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO PUT IT.
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THAT IS WHAT THEY BUILT THE DATA CENTER -- THAT IS WHY THEY BUILT THE DATA CENTER. THEY INTERCEPT COMMUNICATIONS AND BREAKING CODES AND MAKING COATS...
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ANYBODY CAN BE A TARGET IN THE UNITED STATES.
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THEY WERE UP TO A MILLION PEOPLE ON THE WATCH LISTS. A LOT OF THEM ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY SAID THE WRONG WORD AT THE WRONG TIME OR THEY WERE IN THE WRONG...
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HOST: ON THE MISSION. YOU WRITE AMERICAN CITIZENS NEED TO BE WATCHING WHAT
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THEY SAY. GUEST: THAT WAS THE CONTROVERSY UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH. EAVESDROPPING ON AMERICANS.
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LIKE THE MARINES OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, IT WAS FORMED TO EAVESDROP OUTSIDE THE IN THE STATE'S -- OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES. THE NSA WAS NOT USED TO...
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GUEST: THERE IS A LAW WHICH DETERMINES WHAT IS ILLEGAL OR ILLEGAL. NSA HAS ITS OWN
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INTERNAL GUIDELINES. DEFINITION OF WORDS IN TERMS OF "INTERCEPT." YOU CAN PULL ALL THIS INFORMATION IN BUT IT IS NOT TACTICALLY INTERCEPTED UNTIL YOU...
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DOES THE NSA ROUTINELY INTERCEPTS AMERICAN E-MAILS? >> NO. >> DOES THE NSA INTERCEPT
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AMERICANS' CELL PHONE
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CONVERSATIONS? >> NO. >>
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GOOGLE SEARCHES? >> NO. >>
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TEXT MESSAGES? >> NO. >>
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WHAT A JUDICIAL CONSENT IS
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REQUIRED FOR THE NSA TO
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INTERCEPT COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION INVOLVING AMERICAN CITIZENS? >>THE
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THE FBI IF IT IS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. TO CONDUCT THE
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KIND OF COLLECTION IN THE UNITED STATES, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COURT ORDER AND THE COURT WILL HAVE TO AUTHORIZE IT. WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO...
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HAS THEIR OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT " AND DECEPTIONINTERCEPTION" MEANS. THEY ASKED OFFICIALS BACKED IN THE 197'S ABOUT IT -- THE 1970'S ABOUT IT AND THEY...
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HATCH HAD A LOT TO DO ABOUT IT. A VERY POWERFUL SENATOR.
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THEY HAVE THE AREA. IT IS A VERY OPEN MILITARY BASE IN UTAH. I THINK THE COST OF ELECTRICITY IS CHEAPER THAN IN MARYLAND, WHERE THE HEADQUARTERS IS. HOST:...
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MILLION A YEAR TO RUN IT. IT IS HARD TO SAY HOW MUCH EXACTLY
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BUT SOME MORE AROUND THAT. HOST: WHY IS THAT? GUEST: YOU NEED SEVERAL THINGS. YOU NEED ALL THESE SERVERS
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TO STORE ALL THE DATA. AND BECAUSE
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IS THE COOLING. -- A BIG COST IS THE COOLING. YOU HAVE TO COOL THE SERVERS AND THAT TAKES IN ONE OF ELECTRICITY TO RUN THE COOLING MACHINES, THE AIR-CONDITIONING....
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GUEST: A LOT OF INFORMATION WILL BE ENCRYPTED INFORMATION. THERE
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IS A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT PEOPLE SEND EVERY DAY WHETHER YOU BUY A BOOK FROM AMAZON OR SENDING A CREDIT-CARD INFORMATION. ALL THAT IS IN CORRECTED...
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A QUADRILLION OPERATIONS
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A SECOND. SOME AROUND 10 PETAFLOPS NOW AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ADVANCE A ONE THOUSANDFOLD, A ZENAFLOP. VERY FAST. HOST: YOU TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF...
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HAVE HEARD OF. PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF MEGABYTES AND GIGABYTES. GUEST: THE YOTTABYTE IS THE BIGGEST. A YOTTABYTE WOULD BE ABOUT
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500 QUINTILLION PAGES OF TEXT. YOU CAN STORE A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A FACILITY THAT WILL BE 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET. YOU CAN PUT A TERABYTE ON A SWISS...
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OF THE JOBS, COME IN.
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THERE WILL BE ABOUT 10,000 JOBS. HOST: CONTRACTORS. GUEST: 200 AT THE MOST. IT IS BASICALLY BABYSITTING
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THE ELECTRONICS,
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MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS WORKING. THE ANALYSIS WILL BE DONE EXTERNALLY BY A SECURE FIBEROPTIC LINK. HOST: WHAT THEY DO IS TOP SECRET. THE CONTRACTORS...
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THIS BID. THERE WAS A GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY. HOW DID YOU GET THIS IN FORMATION? -- THIS INFORMATION? GUEST: I DID THREE BOOKS ON NSA. I HAVE BEEN FALLING...
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I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IT FOR MANY YEARS. ONE OF MY KEY SOURCES FOR THIS ARTICLE WAS THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED THE ENTIRE WORLDWIDE EAVESDROPPING NETWORK...
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CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO MAKE. I REMEMBER
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THINKING, 20 YEARS AGO HEARING ABOUT THE COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT HAD IN BELGIUM. THIS ONE WILL PUT THE BELGIAN ONE TO SHAME. THE PEOPLE THAT BECAME IBM HAD...
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GOING IN TERMS OF SURVEILLANCE. I THINK IS
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A CROSS PARTY ISSUE. REPUBLICANS, LIBERTARIANS, AND LIBERALS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 20 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD NOT DO THAT. PEOPLE...
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EXPLAIN ABOUT THE IN CRYPTIC INFORMATION -- THE ENCRYPTED INFORMATION. >> IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO GET INTO ENCRYPTED INFORMATION.
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THEY WOULD DO THAT MOSTLY ON LARGE-SCALE ENCRYPTION TO GET THE ENTIRE NETWORK OF HOW WORKS. THEY WOULD TRY TO SUBVERT SOMEBODY IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY THAT...
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CODES? >>THATGUEST: THAT IS HARD TO SAY. THE NSA WAS ABLE TO BREAK THE
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ENCRYPTION IN WORLD WAR II. IT IS DIFFICULT TO BREAK CODES, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEIR JOB IS. HOST: WE HAVE A COMMENT ON TWITTER. IS THAT TRUE? GUEST:
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I CANNOT SAY THAT ACTUALLY. THEY ARE UP THERE IN THE TOP FEW. GOOGLE PROBABLY STORES
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A LOT. THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT FOR FACEBOOK. NSA INTERCEPTS MORE COMMUNICATIONS AND THEY NEED A PLACE TO STEOORE IT. I WOULD SAY THAT IS PROBABLY ACCURATE....
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TAKING MY CALL. YOU DO IS VERY GOOD WORK. THE
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SPEND TIME ON THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AND YOU FOCUS A LOT ON THE POLYGAMY THAT WAS ORIGINAL THERE. I WONDER IF YOU ARE IMPLYING THERE IS AN ALIEN MINDSET...
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CENTER, THEY BELTED IN A LITTLE TOWN IN
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UTAH AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I FOUND THERE WAS THAT IT WAS HOME TO THE SECOND-LARGEST SECT OF POLYGAMISTS IN THE COUNTRY, BLUFFDALE. I HAD SIX PARAGRAPHS...
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THE GREATEST BOOKS I EVER READ. I AM AN ACTIVIST. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE 25% SOLUTION. OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE MILITARY SPENDING CUT BY 25% AND...
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THAT IS ALL SECRETIVE. THREE
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TIMES THE SIZE OF THE CIA. IN TERMS OF PERSONAL, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TIMES AS WELL, 30,000, 40,000 PEOPLE. IT IS AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AGENCY BECAUSE...
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TO CATCH. GUEST: I HAVE INTERVIEWED A LOT OF SOURCES INCLUDING WILLIAM BINNEY. I WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT IF THERE WAS A
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MASSIVE TERRORIST OPERATION THAT THEY STOPPED AND I NEVER HEARD OF ONE. HOST: WE HAVE A COMMENT ON TWITTER. GUEST: WELL,L LET
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ME BACK UP. NSA IS AN UNUSUAL AGENCY.
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EVERY OTHER AGENCY WAS FORMED IN CONGRESS. THERE WERE BILLS OR HEARINGS. THERE WAS A BILL PUT BEFORE CONGRESS AND IT WAS DEBATED. NSA IS NOT LIKE THAT....
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A DISTANT RELATIVE WHO IS THAT
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HIGH- RANKING OFFICER IN INTELLIGENCE. HE HAS TO BE VETTED EVERY YEAR. THEY ASKED HIM REPEATEDLY WHY MY TWO SONS MARRIED FOREIGN NATIONALS. AND THEN...
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TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. THAT IS HOW YOU GET SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE WATCH LIST. HE MAY NOT EVEN BE ON THE LIST AS A NO-FLY LIST BUT YOU COULD BE ON THE NSA...
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GUEST: THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT EVER SINCE NSA WAS CREATED. LET ME GO BACK TO THE PREDECESSOR OF
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AN ESSA NSA. IT HAS BEEN ILLEGAL TO HELP THESE AGENCIES DO IT BUT THEY HAVE GONE ALONG AND DONE THATIT. AT&T AND THE OTHER COMPANIES DO WHATEVER NSA...
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I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF DOING AWAY WITH
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THE NSA. I AM IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THE NSA ON A LEASH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COMPROMISE WHERE NSA GETS THE FUNDING IT NEEDS BUT DOESN'T GET THE FUNDING...
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THEY DO. IT HAS SHIFTED. THESE
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COMMITTEES WERE CREATED IN THE 1970'S. HE DID AN ENORMOUS SEARCH. THAT'S HOW THEY FOUND OUT THAT NSA HAD BEEN ILLEGALLY EAVESDROPPING FOR 30 YEARS. CONGRESS...
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THIS COMES WITH A PRICETAG OF $2 BILLION. ALL THE DATA WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE NSA CODEBREAKERS AND OTHERS WORKING AT THE HEADQUARTERS AND AROUND...
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DOING THIS. PEOPLE ARE GETTING ARRESTED FOR THINGS THEY DID FIVE YEARS AGO. IT IS FOR THINGS THEY HAVE SAID ON THEIR CELL PHONE. IT WILL BE INTERESTING...
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HAVE FOUND THAT THE UTAH CENTER SEEMS TO BE THE CROWNING
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JEWEL OF WHAT WAS INSPIRED UNDER THE STROM THURMOND ACT OF 1961. I FIND IT LIKELY THERE IS A QUALITY THAT INTERFACES' IT WITH THE SMART METERS TO THE...
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MORNING. YOU MENTIONED THAT
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CONGRESS NEEDS TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ILLEGAL TACTICS OF WHAT THE NSA IS DOING. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE WHEN CONGRESS IS ALLOWING AND PASSING...
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THE QUESTION THAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST ASK -- THAT IS A PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM WITH THE CONGRESS ARE NOW IS THAT NO CONGRESS PERSON EVER WANTS TO LOOK WEAK...
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PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID HE WAS AGAINST WHAT THE
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NSA WAS DOING WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND HE WOULD VOTE AGAINST ANY EXPANSION OF AN NSA'S POWER AND WOULD VOTE AGAINST IMMUNITY TO THE TELECOM...
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CONFERENCE WHERE AN ADMIRAL SPOKE ABOUT THE FLEET. I THINK THE 10 FLEET IS A REINVIGORATION OF THE FDR ERA. THE TAB FOR THE ONE OUT OF CORPORATE AND ADDITIONAL...
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THERE'S AN ENTIRE FLEET OF CYBER WARRIORS. THAT IS THE NEW WAR. YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW WARS. NOW THEY ARE LATCHING ONTO CYBER WARS. CONTRACTORS...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.