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WE WELCOME BACK ON THIS FRIDAY
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THE 13TH -- YOU ARE A RISK TAKER. MICHAEL KINSLEY IS
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Swain, Susan - Host
AT THE TABLE. HE HAS BEEN COMMENTING ON THE NATIONAL SCENE FOR MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE FROM HIS POSITION AT BLOOMBERG. THIS TIES INTO WHAT I WANTED TO...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
ELIMINATE RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT OVER. YOU CANNOT REALLY SAY MUCH MORE THAN THAT. THE MOMMY WARS STORY IS RIDICULOUS. HOST: WHY IS THAT? GUEST:...
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Swain, Susan - Host
PEOPLE SAY SOMEONE IT SAYS SOMETHING
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY WISHED THEY COULD TAKE BACK. THEN SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE SAYS THEY ARE TERRIBLY OUTRAGED BY IT, WHICH THEY AREN'T. THEY ARE ACTUALLY...
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Swain, Susan - Host
I THINK THEY ARE A SUBSTITUTE. HOST: GIVEN THE VAST COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS, THE FACT THAT EVERYONE AGREES
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS, HOW DOES THIS
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Swain, Susan - Host
NATION GET TO A SERIOUS DISCUSSION? GUEST: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON POLITICIANS WILLING TO DISCUSS THE MAJOR ISSUES. HOST:
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
DO WE HAVE THOSE? GUEST: WELL, WE DON'T. THE BIG ISSUE -- THE
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Swain, Susan - Host
PROBLEM; IS,
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THERE ARE NO ANSWERS YOU CAN GIVE THAT WILL NOT COST YOU VOTES SOMEWHERE. THE BIG ISSUE IS THE BUDGET WHICH YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH YOUR PREVIOUS...
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Swain, Susan - Host
GUEST: I GUESS IT IS EXACERBATED BECAUSE IT HAPPENS SO FAST.
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THERE WAS A REMARK ON ANDERSON COOPER. IT TOOK NO TIME WHATSOEVER TO BECOME WHAT EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT. IT IS A LOT MORE INTERESTING TO TALK ABOUT...
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Swain, Susan - Host
ROLE, HEALTH CARE, AND. PLEASE JOIN US BY PHONE. WE WILL PUT THE PHONE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN AND WE WILL ALSO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON TWITTER. LET'S DIG...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
TO ANYTHING COHERENT. THESE ARE VARIOUS TERMS THEY GET USED IN CLASS WARFARE AND MAYBE WHAT THEY MEAN THAT ARE NOT OBVIOUS. I THINK -- ACTUALLY IT FITS...
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Swain, Susan - Host
THIS IS FROM "THE FINANCIAL TIMES" -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUFFETT RULE, WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT DEBATE BEING ABOUT? GUEST: THE INTERESTING THING IS I...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
OF HIS INCOME IN TAXES WHEN HE MADE $23 MILLION, I BELIEVE, LAST YEAR. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. HOWEVER, THE TROUBLE IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TENSIONS...
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Swain, Susan - Host
THEY BE DESIGNED TO DO? GUEST: THE PURPOSE OF THE INCOME TAX IS TO RAISE MONEY TO DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO. HOST: HOW IMPORTANT IS FAIRNESS?
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
GUEST: FAIRNESS IS VERY IMPORTANT. THEN YOU GET INTO "WHAT IS
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Swain, Susan - Host
FAIR? " I
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THINK IS FAIR TO EXPECT -- IT BECOMES CLASS WARFARE AND A BAD THING WHEN PEOPLE IMPLY THAT IST IS EVIL TO BE MAKING MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR....
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Swain, Susan - Host
INCOME TAXES. IS THAT FAIR? GUEST: THERE IS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT EVERYBODY OUGHT TO PAY AT LEAST $1 TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
HAS SKIN IN THE GAME. I DO THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PAY INCOME TAX IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE MUCH INCOME. I DO NOT LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER THAT....
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Swain, Susan - Host
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS ISSUES
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ALL ALONG. RON PAUL HAS BEEN TALKING FOR 30 YEARS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF CLASS WARFARE AND THE WAR ON DRUGS AND THE WAR ON THESE OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRIES,...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
PRINCIPALLED AND CONSISTENT. I GIVE HIM A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THAT. HOST: LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MICHAEL KINSLEY'S BACKGROUND. HE IS A HARVARD GRADUATE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
STUDIED LAW. HARFORD HAS BEEN BATTED AROUND IN THE NEWS RECENTLY THAT -- HARVARD HAS BEEN BATTED AROUND IN THE NEWS RECENTLY. GUEST: THAT WAS RIDICULOUS....
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
SPENT MORE TIME AT HARVARD. HE HAS TWO HARVARD DEGREES. IF YOU THINK NO ONE WOULD POINT THAT OUT -- WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO SAY THAT? I THINK THIS IS A...
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Swain, Susan - Host
AS WELL AS A MODERATOR OF DEBATES ON PBS. A NEW RULING FROM THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT THAT PUBLIC TELEVISION STATIONS CAN EXCEPT POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT....
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
NOT? POSTCODE THEY WERE RESTRICTED AND NOW THEY CAN TAKE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN ADVERTISEMENTS. THEY ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE AN APPEAL. GUEST: THERE ARE CHARITABLE...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
BEEN AT MANY PUBLICATIONS. "THE NEW
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Swain, Susan - Host
REPUBLIC," "THE ECONOMIST," A FOUNDING EDITOR OF AN ONLINE MAGAZINE, "THE POLITICO." GUEST: RIGHT NOW I AM JUST WRITING A COLUMN. I'D LIKE THAT BECAUSE...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN READ SOMETHING IN THE PAPER. HOST: YOU HAVE A MEGAPHONE. GUEST: YES. IT IS LEVERAGE.
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Swain, Susan - Host
IF
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
YOU GET FIVE IDEAS, YOU CAN ASSIGN THEM ALL. HOST: NEXT UP IS CALIFORNIA. GO AHEAD. CALLER: I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD ISSUE. IS MICHAEL KINSLEY THE GUY...
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Swain, Susan - Host
YOU JUST POINTED OUT THAT HE WAS
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ON "CROSSFIRE." TALK ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT TURNED THINGS TRIVIAL AND UPSIDE-DOWN. YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE HILLARY ROSEN WHO GETS ON THESE PROGRAMS AND SHE...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
I MET A DEMOCRATIC PARTY OFFICIAL. WHO WAS THE THIRD PERSON? HOST: HILARY ROSEN. GUEST: SHE
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Swain, Susan - Host
IS A DEMOCRAT CERTAINLY AND A DEMOCRATIC CONSULTANT AND ALSO EMPLOYED BY CNN AS A
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
COMMENTATOR. I THINK CN AND TRIES CERTAINLY TO BALANCE THE THEY WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO THEY FEEL ARE GOOD ON TELEVISION WHO CAN REPRESENT THE VARIOUS...
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Swain, Susan - Host
GUEST: I LEFT YEARS BEFORE THEY TOOK IT OFF THE AIR SUPPOSEDLY BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CONTENTIOUS. IF YOU TURN
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
ON CNN NNOWOW -- HOST: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE STATE OF THE THREE NETWORKS WITH ROUND-THE-CLOCK DISCUSSION? GUEST: I
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Swain, Susan - Host
THINK IT IS BETTER NOW WITH A MORE OR LESS EXPLICIT CONSERVATIVES CHANNEL, AND
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
MORE OR LESS LIBERAL CHANNEL, AND THEN CNN THAT TRIES TO PLAY IT DOWN THE METAL. HOST: JACK IS A DEMOCRAT FROM JACKSONVILLE. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
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Swain, Susan - Host
I WOULD
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LIKE THIS GUEST TO TALK ABOUT -- I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE MISCONSTRUED A POINT. SOMEBODY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, DEFEND THAT POINT AND THEN. LIKE THE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
GUEST: I THINK THAT IS AN EXAMPLE THAT MOST REPUBLICANS WISH THEY HADN'T
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
GOTTEN INVOLVED WITH. HOST: OF THE FIRST ONE WAS ON ANN ROMNEY AND HE SUGGESTED IT WENT TOO FAR.
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Swain, Susan - Host
GUEST: CRITICIZING HER WENT TOO FAR. YES, OF COURSE IT DID. SHE SHOULD
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
NOT BE CRITICIZED AT ALL FOR STAYING HOME AND RAISING HER FAMILY. HOST: PRESIDENT OBAMA YESTERDAY SAID FAMILIES ARE OFF-LIMITS, BUT THE FRONT PAGE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
WALL STREET JOURNAL" SAYS SHE IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN SPEAKING AND BEING ON TWITTER AND OTHER PLACES. MICHELLE OBAMA IS A VERY INVOLVED IN THE PRESIDENT'S...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
QUOTE, SAYING "THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO MY HOUSE WHEN I HAD FIVE BOYS MAKING TROUBLE." IF HILLARY ROSEN COULD TAKE THAT REMARK BACK, SHE WOULD IN A FLASH....
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Swain, Susan - Host
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CALLER, -
THE HAVES AND HAVE NOTS. I DO BELIEVE THE 99%, AND I AM ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE I AM RETIRED, AND MY CHILDREN -- WE HAVE ALL GONE TO SCHOOL AND THEY ARE...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THER ISE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING IN THE 1%. HE IS IN THE 1%. IF YOU HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE IN THE 1%, IT WILL NOT KILL YOU TO PAY A LITTLE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
OUR VIEWERS ON TWITTER ASKS IF WE COULD TAKE TIME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR EFFORTS WITH PARKINSON'S DISEASE AND HOW NEW MEDICAL TREATMENTS...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
DIAGNOSED 20 YEARS AGO. I AM DOING PRETTY WELL. I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE. I TAKE A LOT OF PILLS. I HAD AN OPERATION FIVE YEARS AGO WHICH WAS RELATIVELY RARE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
GUEST: YES. I AM GETTING A LEVEL OF CARE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO. I THINK WE CAN DO IT.
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
I SUPPORT -- I THINK PRESIDENT OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL TURN OUT TO BE A VERY BIG PLUS FOR THIS COUNTRY. HOST: MICHAEL KINSLEY WITH US FOR ANOTHER...
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Swain, Susan - Host
CALLER: DOES YOUR GUEST FEEL THAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL REPEAL THE OBAMA CARE LEGISLATION? THE SECOND QUESTION
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IS -- IF THEY DO, GUEST:HOST: NEXT MARYLAND, A DEMOCRAT. CALLER: I AM WITH HILLARY BECAUSE SHE IS SPEAKING FOR US
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
WITTMAN THAT ACTUALLY HAVE HUSBANDS AT HOME AND HAD TO GO
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OUT AND WORK ALSO BECAUSE WE ARE THE 99% OF PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND LEAVE OUR CHILDREN WITH A BABYSITTER AND CAN'T AFFORD DAY CARE SO WE HAD TO...
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Swain, Susan - Host
IT IS TRUE THAT MOST WOMEN WORK BECAUSE
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
THEY HAVE TO, NOT BECAUSE THEY WANTED. TO. I STILL THINK WOMEN WHO STAY HOME IF THEY HAVE FIVE KIDS ESPECIALLY, DESERVE RESPECT. HOST: THE HEADLINE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
WE ARE 40 YEARS PAST THE FEMINIST REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY. WHY ARE THESE ISSUES STILL BEING DISCUSSED? GUEST: BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SETTLED BY...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
YOUR QUESTION IMPLIES THAT THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE THAT INFLAMES PEOPLE. WOMEN WHO STAY AT HOME GET TERRIBLY RESENTFUL AND IT IS HARD IN WASHINGTON. PEOPLE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
EARLIER THE TRAYVON MARTIN CASE. THE THING TO ME THAT IS
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INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS IT SEEMS IN THAT CASE, WE HAVE PEOPLE DEMONSTRATING, TRYING TO GET THE RESULTS OF THEY WANT RATHER THAN WAITING FOR THE COURTS...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
AND THERE ARE THINGS WHICH ARE JUST NOT. NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT EQUALLY IMPORTANT BUT THERE IS -- THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SETTLED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
HAVE A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. A DEMOCRACY IS MOB ROLES. WE HAVE
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NOT HEARD THE SIDE WHERE THERE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES WHO SAW THE MAN THAT IS ON TRIAL NOW BEING BEATEN BY THE YOUNG BLACK MAN. WE DON'T WAKE...
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Swain, Susan - Host
WAS "IF I HAD A SON, HE WOULD BE LIKE JIM." SHOULD THE PRESIDENT BE INVOLVED IN MAY CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION? GUEST: I THINK THE PRESIDENT STATED HIS CASE...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
HIS COMMENT WAS A LITTLE BIT SNEAKY BUT IN THE END, A VERY ELOQUENT AND LIFTED AMBIGUOUS. DID HE MEAN BECAUSE HIS SON WOULD BE THAT AGE OR WAS HE SPECIFICALLY...
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Swain, Susan - Host
SUFFERED WITH PARKINSONS' FOR YEARS. ANYWAY, I HAVE
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CALLER, -
A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IF THIS HAD NOT -- IF THE POLICE HAD NOT DROPPED THE BALL AND NOBODY HAS...
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Swain, Susan - Host
SYSTEM AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
SOMETHING TERRIBLE IN THE 1960'S. ANN ROMNEY, I THINK, DID SAY SHE HAD BEEN QUITE FORTUNATE IN HAVING THE CHOICE TO STAY HOME. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAD...
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Swain, Susan - Host
GETTING BACK TO THE WEALTH OF CANDIDATES -- I AM WONDERING WHY MITT ROMNEY'S WELL AS AN ISSUE. GUEST:-- WELLS IS AN ISSUE. GUEST: HOW CAN HE EMPHASIZED...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
NOT THE FIRST MODERN WEALTHY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT. WHAT IS DIFFERENT? GUEST: WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS THE
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Swain, Susan - Host
PARTICULAR ECONOMIC TIMES WE ARE GOING THROUGH ANOTHER THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS HIS
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE SOME THAT THEY WERE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. HE KEEPS STUMBLING INTO THESE WEIRD CALLOUS REMARKS LIKELY "MY...
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Swain, Susan - Host
I REMEMBER YOUR PREVIOUS CAREER EXPEDITIONS THAT I WANT TO THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK TO YOUR HEALTH. PLEASE COMMENT ON
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THESE TWO POINTS. THE FIRST POINT IS AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. IF YOU USE THAT TERM AND REPLACE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE WITH THAT OTHER PEJORATIVE THEY...
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NOW BECOME UNIVERSAL. A FAMOUS EXAMPLE WAS IMPRESSIONISM WAS CONSIDERED AN DEROGATORY. DISSENTING WAS -- AS HAPPENED WITH OBAMA CARE. -- THE SAME THING...
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Swain, Susan - Host
CALLER: I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS EVERYBODY TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE BUT TO TAX THE MILLIONAIRES, THEY ARE THE JOB CREATORS,...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
GENTLEMAN'S POINT WE COULD REMEMBER WAS ABOUT CORPORATE TAXES. HOST: THAT'S RIGHT. GUEST: THE LAST TAX REFORM IN 1986 WAS KICKED UP BY A REPORT THAT
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Swain, Susan - Host
SHOWED THAT CORPORATIONS WERE PAYING NO TAX AT ALL. THERE CERTAINLY
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
SHOULD BE TAXES ON THEM AND THERE SHOULD BE SPENDING REFORM. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT RUN EFFICIENTLY. HOWEVER, EVEN IF YOU RAN THE GOVERNMENT AND ALL...
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Swain, Susan - Host
PROBLEMS PARTICULARLY THE NATIONAL DEBT THAT MR. BE DISCUSSED AND PRIORITIES THAT COME OUT OF THE BUDGET. OVERALL, ARE YOU IN AN OPTIMISTIC STATE OF...
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
AND I MYSELF HAVE YAKKED ABOUT THESE ISSUES FOREVER AND WE HAVE NOT MADE MUCH PROGRESS. HOST: WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? GUEST: HERB STEIN WHO WAS A
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Swain, Susan - Host
WELL-KNOWN CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIST IN THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION HAS STEIN'S LAW WHICH
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Kinsley, Michael - Columnist
IS ANYTHING THAT CAN'T GO ON WANT. WON'T. HE SAID PROBLEMS WILL SOLVE THEMSELVES AND MAYBE THAT WILL HAPPEN. HOST: MICHAEL KINSLEY ON FRIDAY THE 13TH,...
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