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FROM CAMP 14." >> BLAINE HARDEN, YOUR BOOK IS CALLED "ESCAPE FROM CAMP 14." YOUR FIRST SENTENCE
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IS, "HIS FIRST MEMORY IS AN EXECUTION." >> THE STORY IS ABOUT A KID NAMED SHIN DONG-HYUK, WHO WAS BORN IN CAMP 14. ONE OF
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THE POLITICAL LABOR CAMPS. HIS FIRST MEMORY WAS GOING WITH HIS MOM TO A PLACE NEAR WHERE HE GREW UP IN THE CAMP TO WATCH SOMEBODY GET SHOT. SHOOTING...
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THAN NORTH KOREAN GUARDS, OTHER THAN THOSE WHO GO TO THEM
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AND NEVER COME OUT. THEY CONTAIN BETWEEN 150 AND 200,000 PRISONERS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE CAMP, THERE ARE NO EXIT-PLACES, WHERE ONE GOES IF YOU ARE...
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WHEN YOU WERE THERE, YOU SAID, THERE ARE 23 MILLION PEOPLE THERE. WHAT IS IN YOUR MIND'S EYE ABOUT NORTH KOREA? >> THIS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO REPORT...
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600 WESTERNERS WHEN THE NEW YORK PHILHARMONIC WENT TO PYONGYANG. WE WERE IN A HIGH-RISE HOTEL ON AN ISLAND. TAKEN TO VARIOUS PLACES TO SHOW OFF. STATUES...
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50 MILLION. SOUTH KOREA IS NOW THE 11TH LARGEST ECONOMY IN
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THE WORLD. THEY HAVE PEOPLE OBSESSED WITH EDUCATION. THEY WORK HARD AND HAVE LESS LEISURE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD. AND THEY COMMIT...
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WAS SOUTH KOREA COMPARED TO NORTH KOREA. >> THEY WERE POOR AND RECOVERING FROM THE RAVAGES OF WORLD WAR 2. THAT WAR -- THE UNITED
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STATES DIVIDED THE PENNINSULA IN THE WAKE OF WORLD WAR 2. THE SOUTH WAS A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP ALIGNED WITH THE UNITED STATES. THE NORTH WAS ALIGNED...
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OUR FIRST INTERVIEW IN 1990, WHEN I ASKED YOU WHY YOU LIKE TO TRAVEL. >> I READ AND I GOT INTERESTED AND I REMEMBER, AS A KID IN COLLEGE, I DIND'T...
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EXISTED. I SOMETIMES WOULD GO AND THINK, WALTER KRONKITE PUT TOGETHER A BIG, ELABORATE DECEPTION. THE WORLD OUTSIDE IS WHAT I KNEW. >> DO YOU REMEMBER...
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WRONG. >> WHEN WE TALKED TO YOU, YOU WROTE A BOOK ABOUT AFRICA. SINCE THEN,
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WHEN YOHAVE YOU LIVED? >> I WAS THERE FOR THE COLLAPSE OF COMMUNISM AND THE YUGOSLAV
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WARS. THE PRAGUE REVOLUTION. IN CZECKOSLOVAKIA, THEY CAME OUT TO LISTEN TOT HIS SPEECHES, AND LEFT THE MAIN SQUARE AND DID NOT STEP ON THE FLOWERBEDS....
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WAS BORN THERE. >> DO YOU GO BACK LATELY? >> I SPENT 1993 AND 19934 THERE, WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE COLUMBIA RIVER. THE SALMON HAVE
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BEEN WIPED OUT. THERE IS A HUGE PUBLIC POLICY DEBATE. MY FAMILY WENT THERE. I WAS BORN IN THE TOWN THE YEAR WATER WAS DIVERTED TIO IRRIGATE THE FARMS....
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AND TURNED THE DESERT INTO A VERY PRODUCTIVE FARM AREA. >> SO YOU LEFT EASTERN EUROPE, AND CAME HERE. >> I WAS
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A ROVING NATIONA CORRESPONDENT, WHO DID STORIES ABOUT AFRICA AND EASTERN EUROPE. I
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| 00:13:34 |
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WENT BACK TO THE POST, "THE MOTHERSHIP," AND THIS WAS THE PLACE THAT HIRED ME WHEN I WAS YOUNG. AND IWENT OUT TOI WENT OUT TO COVER "THE WASHINGTON POST."...
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A SURVIVOR, WHO ESCAPED IN 2005. HE IS THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH BORN IN THOSE
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CAMPS WHO GOT OUT AND SAYS WHAT THIS IS LIKE. >> WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA? >> I WROTE A STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT RESULTED IN AN INCREDIBLE
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EMOTIONAL REACTION. THEY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT HIM, GIVE HIM MONEY AND SAVE HIS SOUL. I WENT BACK TO HIM AND SAID, "LET'S DO A BOOK AND DIG INTO EVERYTHING...
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IS WITH THE U.S. COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHT,S SHE MET MY WIFE AT A BOOK GROUP. I TALKED TO HER AND HAD LUNCH WITH HIM. >> HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THE LANGUAGE....
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DOESN'T SPEAK ANYTHING OTHER
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THAN KOREAN. I HAD A SERIES OF TRANSLATORS. WE DID INTERVIEWS IN SEOUL. WE DID INTERVIEWS IN SEATTLE AND HUNDREDS OF EMAILS. >> WE HAVE THIS PICTURE...
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OF INTERVIEWS IN SEOUL. >>
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HE IS ABOUT 5'6". HE IS -- MAYBE 5'5". HE IS STUNTED
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FROM MALNUTRIMANAGERS SHMALNUTRITION. MOST O FTHE MALES ARE STUNTED. THERE ARE 30,000 OF THEM. THEY ARE ON AN AVERAGE, MORE THAN FIVE INCHES SHORTER...
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TO SEOUL, WHERE HE DOES WEB BROADCASTING WITH HUMAN RIGHTS FRIENDS, TO TALK ABOUT NORTH KOREA. >> THE TRANSLATION WAS EXPENSIVE? >> NO. IT WASN'T THAT...
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ABOUT HIM. THEY
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CARE ABOUT HIS STORY AND WANT TO GET IT OUT. I HAD REALLY GOOD TRANSLATORS, SOME OF WHOM WORKED FOR THE "WASHINGTON POST." THE MOST IMPORTANT TRANSLATOR...
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STORY ABOUT HIM BEING PUT OVER THE FLAME. >> WHEN HE WAS 13, HE WAS TAKEN TO AN UNDERGROUND PRISON. HE WAS TAKEN
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TO ASK ABOUT THE ESCAPE LPLANS. HE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. HE WAS VERY CONFUSED. HE WAS TAKEN TO A MACHINE SHOP, HUNG UPSIDE DOWN BY HIS ANKLES AND...
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GET BEING HELD OVER A FIRE. THE MIDDLE FINGER OF HIS RIGHT HAND WAS CUT OFF AT HIS FIRST KNUCKLE. WHEN HE WAS 22, HE WAS WORKING ON MILITARY UNIFORMS....
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HIS PARENTS WERE THERE. HIS PARENTS WERE THERE FOR REASONS AS FLIMSY. HIS FATHER'S BROTHERS HAD FLET TO SOUTH KOREA. AFTER THE AUTHORITIES HEARD ABOUT...
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| 00:25:57 |
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F THEM -- NO MORE THAN TWO PRISONERS CAN BE TOGETHER. DO NOT STEAL. GUARDS MUST BE OBEYED. ANYONE WHO SEES A FUGITIVE MUST REPORT THEM. PRISONERS MUST...
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| 00:26:50 |
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WATCH SOMETHING WAS AN EXECUTION. SO THE RULES WERE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. PARTICULARLY BY THE KIDS. WHO SAW THE RESULTS OF DISAGREEMENTS. >> THE FIRST...
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PEOPE,PLE, AND MY MOM." IT WAS THE FIRST TIME HE WAS AROUND A CROWD OF PEOPLE. YOU DON'T SPEND TIME WITH PEOPLE. HE'D NEVER BEEN IN A CROWD OF PEOPLE,...
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| 00:28:05 |
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THREE OTHERS. THEY DO IT SO THEY DON'T DENOUNCE THE GURDS ORARDS OR
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THE LEADERSHIP. THEY CAN'T SAY ANYTHING. IT'S ROCKS. >> ROCKS. AND THEY PUT A HOOD OVER THEM. >> SOMETIMES THEY DO, SOMETIMES
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THEY DON'T. >> WHAT ABOUT HIS PARENTS? WITH THE DEATH OF HIS
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PARENTS AND HIS BROTHER. >> THE REAL HEART
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OF THE BOOK, AND THE PYSCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA COMES OUT O FTHEF
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THE ESCAPE PLAN OF HIS MOTHE RAND BROTHER. WHEN HE WAS 13, HE WAS LIVING IN A BOARDING SCHOOL. THEY ARE A FEW BLOCKS FROM WHERE HE WAS STAYING. A GUY...
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HE'D EATEN. SALT, CORN, AND CABBAGE. THAT WAS BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER. >> HOW DO YOU EAT SALT? >>IT IS A KIND OF RGRUEL, BUT ISRAEL WAS THE CLASS...
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HE HAD A MEAL AND WENT TO SLEEP IN YOUR GUT IT WAS A CENTRAL KITCHEN AND ONE BEDROOM, AND THE CENTRAL KITCHEN WAS FOR THREE OTHER UNITS, SO HE WENT TO...
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| 00:36:17 |
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WORK AS A LABORER LIMPING AROUND THE
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CAMP, AND THEY HAD A VERY STRAINED RELATIONSHIP AFTER THIS EXECUTION. HE SAID, I AM SO SORRY WE WERE SELFISH TO HAVE CHILDREN. I HOPE SOMEHOW YOU CAN...
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YEAR HE ESCAPED DEMOCRATS WAS 2005. THE ESCAPE WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE BOOK. ONE THING I WANT TO
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| 00:37:04 |
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SAY ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF THE EXECUTION IS SAID HE WAS RAISED IN SUCH A WAY HE DID NOT REALLY LOVED HIS MOTHER. HE DID NOT HAVE CEILINGS -- FEELINGS...
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DEVLIN AND? >> HE NEVER HEARD ABOUT GOD. LEARNING TO TRUST OTHER PEOPLE IS SOMETHING HE HAS HAD TO DO SINCE HE GOT
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TO SOUTH KOREA AND THE UNITED STATES. HE HAS SEEN OTHER FAMILIES, OTHER MOTHERS AND SONS TOGETHER, AND HE HAS BEGUN TO FEEL TERRIBLY GUILTY ABOUT THE...
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NO, HE ASSUMES HIS FATHER WAS TORTURED AND KILLED AS A RESULT OF HIS ESCAPE. GOOD >> I DO NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE TO GO
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| 00:38:33 |
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INTO EVERY DETAIL, BUT ESCAPING INTO CHINA WAS DIFFICULT IN WHAT WAY? YOU SAID IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE BUT THEY ESCAPED. >> THIS EXISTED SINCE 1958,...
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UNTIL 2005, SO IT WAS HARD TO GET OUT OF THERE, AND HE DID IT BECAUSE HE MET SOMEONE WHO INSPIRED HIM TO THINK OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD, AND THIS IS HIS...
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IS ABOUT 50 MILES NORTH US /OF
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JOHNNY A -- PYONG YANG. IT WAS THE BARBWIRE FRIENDS WITH LINES THAT WERE ELECTROCUTED. THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF FENCE WHERE A COW TOUCHES IT AND JUMPS....
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| 00:44:26 |
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NOT LIKE WINNING THE LOTTERY. IT IS CONCEIVABLE
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TO DO, AND HE GOT THROUGH THE FENCE. THE PLENUM WAS GREETED THE PLAN WAS FOR HIM TO BE ON THE INSIDE. AWHIRL ONCE THEY GOT THROUGH THE FENCE, MR. PARK...
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| 00:45:12 |
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KOREAN -- IT TOOK MONTHS TO GET ACROSS SOUTH KOREA, A MONTH OF
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WALKING. HE HOPPED A TRAIN. OF ONE THING THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT HIS JOURNEY ACROSS NORTH KOREA, AND THIS IS A KID WHO DID NOT KNOW WHICH WAY WAS...
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YOU CAN FIND, SO HE FOUND A MILITARY UNIFORM. HE WAS NO LONGER TRUST LIKE A CAMP INMATE -- DRESSED LIKE A CAMP INMATE AND WALKED INTO A TOWN, AND HE...
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| 00:48:37 |
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TO GET THIS BOOK? BUT I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN SESSIONS, AND THEY WOULD START IN THE MORNING AND END IN THE LATE AFTERNOON. >> HOW DID YOU DOCUMENT THEM?...
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| 00:49:11 |
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SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THERE IS A QUESTION OF VERIFYING THE STORY, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO DEAL WITH. HE LIED TO ME ABOUT HIS ROLE IN BETRAYING HIS...
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YOUNG GIVEN HIS LIFE. HE
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HAS AGED A LITTLE BIT. THIS WAS TAKEN WHEN HE WAS 28 OR 27, BUT WHEN I MET HIM, I SWEAR HE LOOKED LIKE A TEENAGER, AND HE HAS A YOUTHFUL LOOK. GOOD>>...
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AND HE TALKED ABOUT SELLING OUT HIS MOTHER AND WHY HE DID IT AND WHAT HE HOPES WILL COME OUT OF THE TRUTH HE TOLD. HE WANTS PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS IS THE...
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| 00:51:41 |
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IT WAS LIKE BEING A DENTIST AND NOT USING ANESTHETICS, AND IT WAS PAINFUL TO HIM, AND SOMETIMES HE WOULD SAY NO AND LEAVES. >> WHY YOU THINK THE AMERICAN...
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NORTH KOREAN SPY? >> THE REASON PEOPLE SHOULD CARE ABOUT THIS BOOK NOW IS THAT IT IS A GREAT
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STORY. IT IS A GREAT PSYCHOLOGICAL STORY ABOUT HOW A PERSON GOES FROM HAVING NO HUMAN EMOTIONS TRIGGERED THE NORMAL TRAJECTORY OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS...
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ARE FOR GREATER INDIVIDUAL WEALTH, FOR
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TECHNOLOGICAL ACHIEVEMENT. NORTHCOM RIHANNA -- NORTH KOREA IS A DEAD WEIGHT ON THOSE GOALS. MOST OF THE FAMILY TIES HAVE BEEN ATTENUATED BY TIME AND...
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| 00:54:13 |
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WELL, AND ARE THEY WORRIED IN SOUTH KOREA IS GOING TO COST THEM TO PICK UP THE 23 MILLION PEOPLE BEAUMONTE? >> THEY ARE VERY WORRIED. THERE ARE ESTIMATES...
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HAVE UNIFICATION WITH THE NORTH BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS IN NORTH KOREAN. IF YOU FLY OVER THE KOREAN PENINSULA, IT IS JUST START IN NORTH KOREAN,...
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THE >> NO MORE WASHINGTON POST? NO MORE NEW YORK TIMES? >> I TOOK A BUYOUT, AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE ECONOMIST AND OCCASIONALLY
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PBS. >> WHAT KIND OF THINGS HAVE YOU DONE FOR FRONTLINE? >> I WORK ON A COMPROMISE FOR ALASKA. >>
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DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER BOOK IN MIND? >> I DO. >> IT MIGHT BE ABOUT THE COMPROMISE IN
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ALASKA OR ABOUT MY FATHER'S GENERATION,
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AND I AM NOT SURE. >> WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? WILL THE END OF IN SOUTH KOREAN PERMANENTLY NOTE, OR WILL THEY COME TO THE UNITED
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STATES? >> A COUPLE HAS BEEN IMPORTANT. HE CALLS THEM HIS PARENTS, AND THEY ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. THEY HELPED BRING HIM TO THE
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UNITED STATES, AND THEY HAVE GIVEN HIM COUNSELING, AND VICE, AND LOVE, AND SECURITY. HE HAS NOT HAVE THOUGHT FROM OLDER PEOPLE. THEY ARE FROM COLUMBUS,...
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| 00:57:09 |
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WHERE DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO END UP AFTER THIS? HE IS ABOUT 30? >> HE IS 29 NOW.
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I HOPE HE WILL USE THE MONEY FROM THIS NOTE TO GET MORE EDUCATION, AND I WOULD HOPE TO
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LEARN ENGLISH AND PURSUE HIS DREAM AS A HUMAN RIGHTS AND TICKET -- ADVOCATE. HE HAS NOT DONE EXACTLY AS EVERYONE HOPED IN TERMS OF EDUCATION, PSYCHOTHERAPY....
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THANK YOU. TRUCKS FOR A DVD
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