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RECENTLY ANNOUNCED SHE WOULD NOT SEEK THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT. ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE FIRST CHAPTER PERHAPS TURNING THE ORDER OF YOUR...
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| 00:01:48 |
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THINK I WAS TRYING TO VENTRILOQUIZES A CERTAIN MORE A ESTABLISHMENT CONSERVATIVE POINT OF VIEW THAT YOU SAW AROUND 2008. THERE WAS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE...
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| 00:02:54 |
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MANY LIBERAL COMPLAINTS OF SARAH PALIN AND THE SAME MADE AGAINST BUSH AND REAGAN WAS THAT SHE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH YOU GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TALK...
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| 00:03:24 |
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CERTAIN THEY HAVE HAD A TRADITIONAL VIEW OF THE RIGHT TO THAT IT IS A DEFENSIVE POWER PRIVILEGE AND I SUBSCRIBE TO THAT VIEW BUT THE LEFT HAS HISTORICALLY...
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| 00:05:13 |
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MODERN CONSERVATIVES EXERT THEIR PROWESS IN THE WAYS THAT CONTRADICT THAT IDEA THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE STUPID? >> SOME OF THEIR
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| 00:05:23 |
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GREAT INNOVATIONS OF THE 20th CENTURY AND THE MOST CREATIVE THINKERS ARE ON THE RIGHT, AND THE VAN HAYAK AND AND MILTON FRIEDMAN AND THESE WERE IDEAS...
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| 00:06:07 |
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CONCEIT BEING THROUGH POLITICAL DISCOURSE TODAY WITH CONSERVATIVES AND YOU TOUCH ON THIS A LITTLE THAT LIBERALISM IS SOMEHOW HE LEAD US. THEY POINT...
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| 00:06:58 |
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THAT SOUNDS LIKE LIBERALISM. WALK ME THROUGH THIS. >> Guest: CONSERVATISM
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| 00:07:03 |
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HAS BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING A MOVEMENT OF REACTION. BY THAT I MEAN, THIS IS NOT BE SPEAKING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITION, BUT IT TO SAY EXACTLY THAT...
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| 00:10:27 |
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TODAY? >> Guest:
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| 00:10:45 |
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ABSOLUTELY. ALL OF THE EMPIRICAL POLITICAL SCIENTIST AND QUANTITATIVE DATA SHOWS THE LEVEL OF ANIMUS TOWARDS RACIAL MINORITIES IN IMMIGRANTS IS HIGHER...
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| 00:11:42 |
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ARGUE FAR FROM SIMPLY WANTING TO CONSERVE OR PRESERVE TRADITION OR RESIST CHANGER MAINTAIN STATUS QUO, IT IS QUITE INTERESTED TO AGITATE THE CYCLICAL...
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| 00:12:20 |
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IS TRUE BUT NOT IN THE WAY THAT YOU CAST IT. WAS JUST CALL IT THE LEFT ANYTHING FROM MORE MODERATE TO ALTER LEFT JUST FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE. THOSE ARE...
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| 00:13:15 |
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THAT
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| 00:13:21 |
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EXTENT EXTENT, ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE THOUGH. IT IS INTERESTING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION BUT OF COURSE, THEY ARE BORROWING WHEN THEY DO...
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| 00:13:53 |
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THE ECUMENICAL EIGHT OR MATTER-OF-FACT THAT A CONSERVATIVE AND ALSO SAY, YES, WE ARE REACTING TO PROJECTS BEGUN BY PEOPLE WE DISAGREE WITH. IS THAT...
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| 00:14:06 |
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Guest: THE LEFT IS NOT SAY WE ARE REACTING TO PROJECTS WE ARE NEW AND CREATING YES. >> Host: I WANT TO
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| 00:14:16 |
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TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT RADICALISM YOU ARGUE ONE OF THE MOST LEAST UNDERSTOOD ELEMENTS IS THAT CONSERVATIVES THEY TAKE THE APPROACH OF SOCIAL MEDIA,...
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| 00:15:47 |
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I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WOULD AGREE THERE HAS BEEN A STAGNATION FOR QUITE A NUMBER
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| 00:15:50 |
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OF YEARS. >> Host: IS THAT A GOOD? IS THAT THE SIX ASS? THE LAST ONE TO HOLD ON TO THEIR OWN ACADEMIA. >> Guest: WHEN WE
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| 00:15:55 |
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TALK ABOUT THE LEFT, I THINK OF A MUCH BROADER OR RAY, UNIONS, GROUPS, THESE PEOPLE OCCUPY WALL STREET, THEY DON'T JUST WANT TO HOLD ONTO ACADEMIA,...
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| 00:16:14 |
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Guest: NO. A MORE EQUAL SOCIETY. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEIR IDEAS ARE CREATED FOR INNOVATIVE OR NEW BUT THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THE LEFT RIGHT...
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| 00:18:15 |
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Host: INDUCTEES THAT YOU WROTE IN THE CHRONICLE FOR HIGHER EDUCATION CALLED WHITE CONSERVATIVES LOVE FOR, YOU WON'T -- ROACH BALLER FROM BEING SEVEN...
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| 00:18:54 |
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POLICY? >> >> Guest: BACK
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| 00:18:55 |
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UP FOR A SECOND. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT IS A LINE FROM THE BOOK AS WELL BUT THERE IS A TRADITION ON THE RIGHT OF CELEBRATION OF VIOLENCE. >> Host: AS
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| 00:19:15 |
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EXCITING? NOT JUST BECAUSE WE LIKE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. [LAUGHTER] >> Guest: NOT
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| 00:19:23 |
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THAT. BUT THE UNIVERSAL HUMAN PENSIONS BUT THERE IS THE IDEOLOGY THAT AS WE TRIED TO SHOW THE FEAR ABOUT RULING CLASSIS THE MORE COMFORTABLE THEY BECOME,...
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| 00:20:24 |
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EXIST? >> OF
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| 00:20:27 |
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THE IRAQ WAR ANWR ON TERROR. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUT PEOPLE LIKE CRYSTALS ARE CRITICS OF CAPITALISM AND NERVOUS ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY THINK...
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| 00:21:05 |
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I DID AGREE. NOT IN HIS SPEECHES OR WRITINGS BUT. >> Guest: YOU LOOK AT
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| 00:21:11 |
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THE POLITICS. >>
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| 00:21:12 |
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Host: TALK TO ME ABOUT HIS POLICY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK BUT I WANT TO BRING IT INTO THE REAL WORLD FOR A REVIEWER'S BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE...
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| 00:21:24 |
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THE SECOND PART THAT EMPIRES ARE MORE THAN THE INDIVIDUAL AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT OF TIME TO DECLARE A WAR TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT ON BEHALF OF THAT WITH COMPLICATED...
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| 00:22:44 |
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IS DIFFERENT. >>
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| 00:22:46 |
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I AM THE INTELLECTUAL HISTORIAN AND THOSE IDEAS BUT SOME OF THE DRAWDOWN BUT IF YOU WANT TO STEP BACK, THE SIMILARITIES ARE FAR MORE APPARENT THAN THE...
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| 00:22:54 |
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I TRIED TO GET CAUGHT -- TRIED TO GATT ADDS, A LOT OF POLITICAL STRATEGISTS HAVE BEEN UPSET TO PINPOINT THE OBAMA DOCTORED WHEN IT APPLIES TO FOREIGN...
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| 00:23:50 |
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ARE CONNECTED BUT I AM NOT A FAN OF BARACK OBAMA. AND MY CRITICISM OF DEMOCRATS IS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FORMIDABLE POWER OF THESE IDEAS AND BECAUSE...
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| 00:24:08 |
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BOOK INTRODUCTION YOU TALK ABOUT THE ACADEMIC INTERPRETATION OF MODERN CONSERVATISM PROPAGATED BY ANOTHER HISTORIANS MANY OF WHOM ARE LIBERAL. I WONDER...
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| 00:24:51 |
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ARE SOME THAT I AM INDEBTED TO FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT AND I COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THIS BOOK WITHOUT THEM. SOME OF THEM UNDERSTAND IT FARED BETTER...
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| 00:25:16 |
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TO ACHIEVE THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. NOT JUST AT -- INTELLECTUALS IN ACADEMICS BUT STUDENTS AND YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE WHOLE COLLEGE...
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| 00:26:48 |
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Host: BUT I READ THEY HAVE READ MARKS ALONG THE LINE. >> Guest:
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| 00:26:50 |
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AS THEY SHOULD HAVE AS A FORMIDABLE FIGURE. HE IS PART OF THE CAN IN IN THE WAY OF THE SIX FIGURES THE MACHIAVELLI BUT MY MISSION AND TO BRING IN THESE...
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| 00:27:55 |
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TO ONE MORE BEFORE WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK. PROJECT 10 OR 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE. DOES THE TEA PARTY SURVIVOR BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE? >> EVERY TIME...
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| 00:28:08 |
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A PREDICTION IT TURNS OUT TO BE RUN. [LAUGHTER] I SAY THIS DEFINITELY AS A HUNCH THAT I SEE THE TEA PARTY IN 1974 THERE WAS A MIDTERM ELECTION WITH...
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| 00:29:19 |
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INTERESTING. LOT MORE COMING UP WITH COREY ROBIN OFFICER OF "THE REACTIONARY MIND" STAY TUNED. . . >> AND YOU USE THOSE WORDS SIDE BY SIDE, YET THE...
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| 00:30:15 |
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DISCIPLINE AND PUNISH, ISN'T MENTIONED ONCE IN THIS WHOLE BOOK WHICH IS FULL OF PHILOSOPHERS AND HISTORIANS. I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT DO YOU THINK...
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| 00:30:41 |
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INTO THEM. [LAUGHTER] >> BECAUSE I THINK IN SOME
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| 00:30:45 |
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WAYS I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO OUT ON A LIMB, BUT THIS BOOK IS WRITTEN AS A PROTEST AGAINST FEW COW AND THE KIND OF SENSIBILITY THAT HE'S BROUGHT TO THE...
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| 00:31:34 |
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JUST SO EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT WAS SORT OF OF THIS WATCH TOWER OVER THE PRISON -- >>
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| 00:31:41 |
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RIGHT. >> AND THE
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| 00:31:42 |
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SYSTEM OF WATCH GUARDS WATCHING PRISONERS REALLY SORT OF WAS A METAPHOR FOR THE WAY THAT VARIOUS SURVEILLANCE MECHANISMS FUNCTION IN MODERN SOCIETY....
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| 00:31:54 |
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THIS, OF COURSE, IN PART AS A CRITIQUE OF KIND OF THE WELFARE STATE. >>
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| 00:31:59 |
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SURE. >> WHAT HE CALLED
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| 00:32:02 |
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THE DISCIPLINARY STATE. AND THAT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARILY INFLUENTIAL BOOK, ALL OF US IN COLLEGE AND GRADUATE SCHOOL READ IT, I TAUGHT IT MANY TIMES,...
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| 00:32:29 |
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ALWAYS? >> AGAIN, YOU'RE
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| 00:32:30 |
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GETTING ME IN THE REALM OF PREDICTION. I SUSPECT PROBABLY. I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY. [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW. I DO THINK THERE'LL ALWAYS BE A STRUGGLE...
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| 00:32:40 |
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RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK
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| 00:32:41 |
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YOU CAN EVER ACHIEVE AN EQUAL SOCIETY CURRENTLY JUST FOR A VARIETY OF
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| 00:32:46 |
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REASONS. >> YEAH. >> SO, NO,
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| 00:32:48 |
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I SUSPECT IT'LL ALWAYS, SOME VERSION OF IT WILL BE THERE. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO SORT OF REALLY STRESS THAT THESE VERY OLD WORLD FORMS THAT...
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| 00:33:02 |
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BE SURPRISED AT TODAY'S CONSERVATIVISM, THAT HIS PREMISE WAS SORT OF PROVEN INCORRECT? >> WELL, I DON'T THINK HE
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| 00:33:10 |
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WOULD NECESSARILY READ CONSERVATIVISM THE WAY I DO. >>
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| 00:33:14 |
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RIGHT. >> I DON'T
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| 00:33:15 |
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KNOW. HE BEGAN TOWARD THE END OF HIS LIFE TO, ACTUALLY, START WRESTLING WITH SOME OF THESE A ISSUES ON THE RIGHT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD...
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| 00:33:26 |
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INTERESTING. YOU INCLUDE A BRILLIANT AND HILARIOUS QUOTE BY LORD HELLSHAM FOR HIS 1947 CASE FOR CONSERVATIVISM. IT READS IN PART: CONSERVATIVES DO...
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| 00:34:02 |
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FOXES? >> NO, NOT
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| 00:34:03 |
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IN THIS COUNTRY. I HUNT DEER, AND I ACTUALLY JUST BROUGHT A BEAR BACK FROM ALASKA. BUT IT ALSO SPEAKS TO AN IDEA THAT CONSERVATIVES HAVE ASSERTED FOR...
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| 00:34:37 |
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SHOW? [LAUGHTER] >> EXCEPT FOR THOSE SMALL,
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| 00:34:39 |
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WARM BATHS. [LAUGHTER] BUT I'VE ALWAYS FOUND IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR LIBERALS TO BE FRIENDS WITH ME THAN FOR ME TO BE FRIENDS WITH THEM. >>
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| 00:34:48 |
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UH-HUH. >> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS,
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| 00:34:50 |
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OR DON'T YOU AGREE? >> I DON'T
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| 00:34:52 |
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KNOW. [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE GETTING INTO A
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| 00:34:58 |
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THERAPY SESSION. [LAUGHTER] >> TALK MORE ABOUT
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| 00:35:00 |
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YOUR HUNTING. I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. BUT, I MEAN, I MEANT THAT QUOTE AS -- I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN CONSERVATIVE SELF-UNDERSTANDING....
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| 00:35:11 |
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RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S
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| 00:35:12 |
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TRUE THOUGH. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TALK ABOUT, THAT HOSTILITY TO THE EXERCISE OF SUBORDINATE ENERGY THAT...
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| 00:36:01 |
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CLARIFY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE SORT OF WENT TO HIM AND SAID CONGRATS ON ALL OF YOUR SUCCESS, PLEASE, DON'T FORGET ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN AS...
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| 00:36:09 |
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RIGHT. >> IN
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| 00:36:11 |
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1776 AS WELL. >> JUST AS THEY'RE GETTING
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| 00:36:13 |
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CLOSE TO RATIFYING THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARILY PERSONAL AND VISCERAL BATTLE, AND I THINK THE LEFT SOMETIMES...
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| 00:37:14 |
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CHURCH. >> RIGHT, SURE. >> THESE ARE THINGS, AND
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| 00:37:16 |
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IT'S BOTH, THIS IS IN PART WHY THE RIGHT HAS OFTENTIMES HAD SUCH POWER AND HAS SEEN THESE SOCIAL CONFLICTS, I THINK N A MUCH MORE CLEAR-HEADED WAY...
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| 00:37:32 |
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UNIONIZATION. >> RIGHT. >> THAT HAPPENS IN A PLACE
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| 00:37:36 |
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OF VERY CLOSE AND INTIMATE CONTACT BETWEEN MANAGERS AND EMPLOYERS. >>
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| 00:37:40 |
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RIGHT. >> VERY SMALL
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| 00:37:41 |
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SPACES. AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A UNION IN THERE, IT'S A VERY TRANSFORMATIVE RELATIONSHIP. AND VERY EXPLOSIVE....
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| 00:38:07 |
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INTERESTING. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT RECENTLY WITH UNEMPLOYMENT AND JOBLESSNESS, AND I THINK BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN GUILTY...
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| 00:38:29 |
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UH-HUH. >> THE
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| 00:38:30 |
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AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF HUMOR WHEN IT COMES TO JOBS. THEY HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR THE KIND OF PARTISAN POLITICKING AND BICKERING THAT...
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| 00:38:47 |
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PERSONAL. >> YEAH. >> I THINK BOTH SIDES WOULD
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| 00:38:49 |
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DO BETTER TO REALIZE -- >>
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| 00:38:50 |
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YEAH. >> -- THE INTIMACY
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| 00:38:52 |
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OF THAT KIND OF ISSUE. >> ABSOLUTELY, EZRA KLEIN HAD
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| 00:38:56 |
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A BLOG POST THE OTHER DAY WHO TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND IT WAS A CRITIQUE OF THE LEFT THAT THE BLOGGER WAS MAKING. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES...
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| 00:39:07 |
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PERSONAL. >> RIGHT. >>
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| 00:39:08 |
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TO PEOPLE. >>
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| 00:39:09 |
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RIGHT. >> AND THAT WAS
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| 00:39:10 |
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ITS POWER. >>
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| 00:39:11 |
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UH-HUH. >> AND SOMEWHERE
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| 00:39:12 |
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ALONG THE LINES IT LOST TRACK WITH THAT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING, THE GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE, THE LEFT OFTENTIMESES WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:39:50 |
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RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S WHY IT'S
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| 00:39:52 |
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ALSO SO THREATENING TO PEOPLE, AND I THINK THE LEFT JUST WANTS TO RUN PAST THAT. AND I SAY THIS NOT IN ORDER FOR THE LEFT TO RETREAT FROM THESE POSITIONS,...
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| 00:40:07 |
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RIGHT. WELL, YOU DISCUSS MODERN CONSERVATIVISM ROOTS IN EUROPE AND THE IDEA THAT IT ACTUALLY BEGAN, OF COURSE, AS REACTION TO THE FRENCH REVOLUTION....
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| 00:40:26 |
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RIGHT. >> THERE'S A
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| 00:40:28 |
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DISTINCTLY AMERICAN FEEL TO CONSERVATIVISM. SOMEONE IS SAYING. WHAT EXPLAINS THAT, DO YOU THINK? DO WE JUST REALLY WANT TO FEEL SPECIAL ALL THE TIME...
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| 00:40:40 |
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WELL, THERE'S -- >> BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
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| 00:40:43 |
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TRUE. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE. >> THAT WE'RE
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| 00:40:45 |
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DIFFERENT, THAT WE'RE SPECIAL. >> THAT WE THINK WE
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| 00:40:48 |
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ARE. [LAUGHTER] WHICH SAYS NOTHING OF MY VIEWS ON AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, BUT I WOULD AGREE THAT BOTH LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES TEND TO VIEW AMERICAN...
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| 00:41:00 |
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WHAT'S INTERESTING, PARTICULARLY ON THE LEFT, IT COMES FROM MANY HISTORIANS, AND HISTORIANS ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO ATTACK THE
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| 00:41:07 |
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IDEA. >> -- >>
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| 00:41:11 |
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RIGHT. AND THEIR ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, HAS DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS, BUT ONE IS THAT THE RIGHT IS POPULIST IN AMERICA. A KIND OF -- AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT...
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| 00:41:26 |
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RIGHT. >> THAN, UM, THAN PEOPLE GIVE
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| 00:41:28 |
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IT CREDIT FOR. AND SO THE LEFT SEES THAT, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THAT, AND THEY THINK, WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM EUROPEAN CONSERVATIVISM. >>
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| 00:41:35 |
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RIGHT. >> OF COURSE, AS
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| 00:41:36 |
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I TRY TO SHOW THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT WAS THE PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING. AND I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE REASON WHY IS THAT I THINK IT GOES BACK...
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| 00:42:06 |
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RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S A HUGE
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| 00:42:07 |
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PROBLEM. SO I JUST, I SEE IT AS JUST A KIND OF SYMPTOM OF IGNORANCE, SOMETIMES WILLFUL IGNORANCE ABOUT THE RIGHT AND WHERE IT COMES FROM. >> WELL, PEOPLE...
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| 00:42:18 |
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ARGUE THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF CONSERVATIVE. UM, ONE IS CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE ONE DAY HE READ HAYEK, THE OTHER IS CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE ONE DAY HE...
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| 00:42:31 |
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A -- >> THAT'S AN S.E.
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| 00:42:33 |
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CUPPISM. LAUGH YEAH, -- [LAUGHTER] YEAH, I INVENTED THAT. I'VE ALWAYS FELT THERE'S A THIRD CONSERVATIVE OUT THIS THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY CONSERVATIVE...
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| 00:43:16 |
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UH-HUH. >> BOTH MAY HAVE READ HAYEK
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| 00:43:19 |
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AND TOKEVILLE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE CONSERVATIVE, IN FACT, I'M CONSERVATIVE FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE. IS THERE ROOM, DO YOU THINK, FOR THAT...
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| 00:43:40 |
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IN SOME WAYS WHAT HE TRIED TO ARGUE WAS THE ESSENCE OF CONSERVATIVISM. A KIND OF DISPOSITION TO -- AND HE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE KIND OF SORT OF STRONG...
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| 00:44:05 |
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RIGHT. >> -- THAT WAY
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| 00:44:06 |
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NOT BECAUSE HE BELIEVES IT'S THE BEST POSSIBLE WORLD, BUT BECAUSE -- >> IT'S THE ONE HE
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| 00:44:11 |
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CAN SEE. IT'S KNOWABLE. >>
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| 00:44:13 |
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IT'S HIS WORLD. >>
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| 00:44:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SURE. >> AND I THINK THAT'S A
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| 00:44:18 |
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VERY, VERY POWERFUL DISPOSITION. I DON'T THINK IT'S A CONSERVATIVE DISPOSITION. >>
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| 00:44:23 |
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RIGHT. >> I THINK IT'S A
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| 00:44:26 |
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UNIVERSAL DISPOSITION. >>
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| 00:44:27 |
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SURE. >> AND WHERE I TAKE MY CUES
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| 00:44:30 |
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FROM IS CARL MANHEIM, AND HE WROTE AN'S CAY, AND -- ESSAY, AND HE TALKED ABOUT THAT UNIVERSAL CONSERVATIVE DISPOSITION. BUT YOU SEE IT ON THE LEFT....
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| 00:45:00 |
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HAVE. >> RIGHT. >> BUT THAT'S NOT
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| 00:45:02 |
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WHAT CONSERVATIVISM IS. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE INTO ANY KIND OF POLITICS WHATSOEVER. >> NO, BUT THE IDEAS
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| 00:45:08 |
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THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE IDEA TO PROMOTE LIFE, THE URGE TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY, PROTECT YOUR FAMILY, PROTECT YOUR KIN, PROTECT YOUR ASSETS, THESE...
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| 00:45:28 |
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YEAH. EXCEPT, I MEAN, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT CONSERVATIVISM AS A MOVEMENT, AS A SET OF IDEAS, I SEE A MUCH DIFFERENT WORLD PERHAPS THAN THE ONE THAT YOU...
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| 00:46:20 |
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A SUSTENANCE HUNTER, YOU HUNT FOR FOOD -- >> I'M TALKING
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| 00:46:23 |
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ABOUT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WRITING ABOUT IT IN DIFFERENT -- >>
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| 00:46:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. >> -- IN A
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| 00:46:27 |
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DIFFERENT VEIN FROM THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A 3-YEAR-OLD
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| 00:46:32 |
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DAUGHTER. >> YEAH. >> I WANT TO PROTECT HER,
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| 00:46:36 |
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AND THAT LEADS ME TO, YOU KNOW, VERY LEFT KIND OF SOLUTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT DESIRE DOESN'T TAKE YOU...
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| 00:46:52 |
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SURE. >> SO THAT CAN'T BE THE
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| 00:46:53 |
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THING THAT DISTINGUISHES
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| 00:46:54 |
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THE TWO. >> WITH RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S WHY I KIND
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| 00:46:56 |
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OF SHY AWAY FROM IT. I ALSO DON'T -- I TRY TO GET AWAY FROM PERSONAL MOTIVATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT AND LOOK MORE AT THE NATURE OF THE ARGUMENT....
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| 00:47:05 |
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RIGHT. >> BUT, YOU KNOW, I HEAR
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| 00:47:07 |
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THIS SOMETIMES FROM BOTH CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS, AND I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD JUST LOOK AT THEIR OWN LIVES, AND ALL OF US DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:47:41 |
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LIBERAL POSITION. I'D LIKE TO DO IT MYSELF AND TAKE CARE OF MYSELF RATHER THAN CALL THE STATE. >>
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| 00:47:46 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RIGHT. WHEREAS MY POSITION IS IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TRUE KIND OF -- YOU WANTED TO, UM, DO THE SOLUTION THAT WOULD MOST ASSURE YOU -- >> LEAST
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| 00:47:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RISKY. >> THE LEAST
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| 00:47:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RISKY. >> RIGHT,
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| 00:47:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YEAH. >> I THINK FOR ME TO GET INTO
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A GUNFIGHT CONFRONTATION WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S BREAKING INTO MY APARTMENT IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY RISKY ENDEAVOR, ONE THAT I WOULD NEVER, EVER WANT TO...
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ANYONE WANTS TO BE FACED WITH IT, BUT DON'T YOU THINK IT'S MORE RISKY IF YOU'RE CONFRONT WITH THE A GUN AND YOU HAVE NO WEAPON? ISN'T THAT TAKING A RISK?...
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ABOUT THAT TELLS ME EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. THAT'S MORE LIKELY TO GET YOU INTO A GUNFIGHT AS OPPOSED TO -- >> OH, NO, NO, NO. THE STATISTICS ARE QUITE...
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IN THE HOUSE, AND WHO DO YOU
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CALL -- >> RIGHT. >> I MEAN, IT'S JUST SUCH
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AN INTERESTING APPLICATION OF THESE LABELS AND THIS IDEOLOGY, I THINK. >>
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RIGHT. >> IT WOULD BE A
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FASCINATING CONVERSATION IN ITSELF. UM, I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK OF THESE STUDIES THAT PERPETUALLY SEEM TO EMERGE WHERE THEY DISCOVER THAT, YOU...
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VERSA. >> RIGHT. >> DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT
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HUGE SWATHS OF PEOPLE CAN BE STUDIED THAT WAY? >> IT'S NOT MY SHTICK,
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NUMBER ONE, AND I'VE ALWAYS STEERED AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND NUMBER TWO, AND I'D SAY EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M -- AND THIS IS A DISAGREEMENT...
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YEAH. >> AND I DON'T -- I THINK
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THE EFFORT TO TRY TO FIND A PERSONAL PSYCHOLOGICAL BASIS FOR CONSERVATIVISM WHICH, BY THE WAY, I SHOULD SAY, IS NOT LIMITED TO LIBERAL ACADEMICS, I...
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RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK
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THEY'LL TELL YOU VERY MUCH. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE RACE, FOR INSTANCE, I'M LESS INTERESTED IN WHAT'S IN A PERSON'S HEART, HOW DID THEY FEEL?...
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SURE. >> I DON'T KNOW
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THAT RESEARCH ALL THAT WELL, SO I WON'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I THINK IS THE WAY TO GO. I THINK YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE ARGUMENTS....
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TO DO ABOUT
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THEM. >> YEAH. >>
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UH-HUH. I AGREE. YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT RIGHTS, AND YOU SEEM TO CLAIM FINISH AND, PLEASE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU SEEM TO CLAIM THAT USING...
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YEAH. >> FIRST WAVE
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FEMINISM WAS LARGELY A CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. UM, I'M WONDERING, I MEAN, I COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT CONSERVATIVES FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF MIDDLE...
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YEAH. >> HOW DO YOU -- OR
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AM I NOT INTERPRETING IT
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RIGHT? >> YEAH. I THINK I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. THE LANGUAGE OF RIGHTS WAS ORIGINALLY A LANGUAGE OF THE LEFT. THAT IS PRETTY...
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RIGHT. >> AND SOMETIMES THAT'S A
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VERY SELF-CONSCIOUS, STRATEGIC PROCESS -- >> DECISION,
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RIGHT. >> WHICH HAPPENS ALL
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THE TIME. MORE INTERESTING TO ME, THOUGH, IS WHEN IT'S NOT THAT, WHEN IT BECOMES PART OF THE AIR YOU BREATHE -- >>
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RIGHT. >> -- AND SLOWLY SEEPS INTO
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THE IMAGINATION IN WAYS THAT THE PROTAGONISTS OF AN ARGUMENT NEVER ANTICIPATED FROM THE BEGINNING. >> WELL, AND
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT NEXT. I WAS FASCINATED TO READ YOU WROTE ABOUT PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY WHO'S A COLLEAGUE AND SOMEONE I'M REALLY...
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REALLY?
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OH. >> YEAH. >>
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OH, WOW. >> AND SHE
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CHARACTERIZED THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT AS A TAKEAWAY OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS, AND YOU WRITE THAT SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY USING THE RIGHTS IN A WAY THAT WAS OPPOSED...
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WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE HER CONCEPTION OF WOMEN'S AGENCY -- THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED QUESTION, ACTUALLY, BUT ONE'S DIMENSION OF HER CONCEPTION...
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RIGHT. >> AND THAT WERE
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SHE TO LEAVE THAT REALM, SHE WOULD LOSE THAT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID THAT IT WAS A PROJECT OF USING THE LANGUAGE OF RIGHTS, I THINK...
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RIGHT. >> YOU
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KNOW, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT FOR A SECOND. >> BUT DO YOU THINK THE
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PROJECT WAS TO KEEP WOMEN IN THE HOME? IS. >> VERY MUCH
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SO. I MEAN, THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE ARGUMENT OF THAT BOOK WAS. SHE MAY HAVE CHANGED HER POSITION ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT HERE'S WHY. IT'S...
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UH-HUH. >> BOTH IN YOUR HOME,
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YOU HAVE SIX KIDS I THINK SHE HAD, RAISED THIS BEAUTIFUL FAMILY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, POLITICALLY LOOK WHAT YOU
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DID. >> UH-HUH. >> AND EVERY HISTORIAN
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AGREES WITH THIS, BY THE WAY. THEY DIDN'T AT THE TIME. YOU CREATED THE MODERN REPUBLICAN PARTY. >>
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RIGHT. >> YOU TRANSFORMED
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IT. >> OUT OF HER
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GARAGE. [LAUGHTER] >> NOW, IF WE LIVED IN
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AN EQUAL WORLD, THIS IS KATHERINE SPEAKING, YOU WOULD BE IN THE CABINET OF THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION. YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE REAL POWER THAT YOU...
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RIGHT. I THINK SHE WOULD ARGUE THAT -- I MEAN, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF POWER. IT'S A CHOICE -- >> HISTORIANS, I THINK,
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MIGHT DISAGREE ABOUT THAT, BUT HERE'S THE POINT. SO MY POINT IS NOT THAT -- IT'S PRECISELY THAT, THAT SHE'S AS MUCH A PRODUCT OF THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT...
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RIGHT. >> -- AS SHE IS VERY
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FORMIDABLE OPPONENT -- >> RIGHT,
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RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S IN
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SOME WAYS WHAT, I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF PARADOX AND THE FASCINATING ELEMENT OF WHAT CONSERVATIVISM IS ALL ABOUT, IS THAT IT'S OFF TIMES A PRODUCT...
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WE BEGAN WITH YOUR BEGINNING, I WANT TO END WITH YOUR CONCLUSION. YOU SAY IN YOUR CONCLUSION MODERN CONSERVATIVISM CAME ONTO THE SCENE OF THE 20TH...
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EVENTUALLY? >> DEFINITELY NOT. IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARILY MODERN, ENDLESSLY REINVENTIVE MOVEMENT, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND SO LONG AS THERE IS A LEFT...
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RIGHT. SO, UM, ALL RIGHT, WHETHER IT WILL AND HOW MUCH IT WILL TAKE WITH IT ON ITS WAY OUT REMAINS TO BE SEEN IS THE LAST LINE OF YOUR BOOK. THANK...
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WORDS," BookTV'S SIGNATURE PROGRAM IN WHICH AUTHORS OF THE LATEST
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