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LUSANE DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, "THE BLACK HISTORY OF THE WHITE HOUSE." >> WHAT IS THE PICTURE
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ON THE COVER? >> THE PICTURE IS FROM
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THE LATE 1900'S. IT IS A PICTURE OF THE WHITE HOUSE EASTER EGG HUNT. IT IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE, BY THE END OF THE 1900'S, THE WHITE HOUSE WAS ONE OF...
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CITY LIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> HAD TO DEFINE
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THEM? >> THEY FOUND
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ME. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE OBAMA ELECTION OF COURSE, THERE ARE NOW PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF BOOKS ABOUT...
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LEGAL STATUS OF HER AT THAT TIME. >> SHE IS AN
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ESCAPED SLAVE, A FUGITIVE. >> COULD SHE HAVE BEEN
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ARRESTED BY GOVERNMENT AND BROUGHT BACK? >>
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ABSOLUTELY. IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION, THERE WAS THE FUGITIVE SLAVE CLAUSE WHICH BASICALLY SAID THAT, IF A SLAVE ESCAPES FROM MANY STATE INTO ANOTHER...
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| 00:11:21 |
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WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? >> I FOUND
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SOME INFORMATION ONLINE TRADE HOUSE ABLE TO GET CONTEXT FROM PEOPLE IN PHILADELPHIA. THE PHILADELPHIA CONNECTION IS IMPORTANT. AND 1999 OR SO, THE NATIONAL...
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HERCULES? >> THAT
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WAS WASHINGTON'S COOK. HE ALSO ESCAPED. HIS STORY IS INTERESTING BECAUSE HE WAS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS COOKS IN THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME....
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| 00:16:52 |
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RULES OF SLAVERY? IN YOUR BOOK, YOU TALK ABOUT THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE AND
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READ. >> IT. ACROSS THE COUNTRY. -- IT VARIED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BUT BOTTOM LINE, THEY WOULD BE ENSLAVED FOR RIGHTS. -- IS LAID FOR LIFE. THEY HAD NO...
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| 00:18:35 |
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FAMILY BACKGROUND? YES, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE. I HAVE DONE A GREAT DEAL OF GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH PERSONALLY. BUT LIKE MANY AFRICAN- AMERICANS,...
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WERE YOU BORN? >> I WAS BORN
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IN DETROIT. MY MOTHER IS FROM ALABAMA AND MY FATHER IS FROM LOUISIANA. >> AND THE NAME
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LUCANE IS WHAT? >>
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| 00:20:38 |
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IT IS A CREOLE NAME. YOU CAN SEE IT IN TEXAS, LOUISIANA, GEORGIA, AND MISSISSIPPI AREAS. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LUSANES. I USED TO LOOK AND PHONE BOOKS...
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UN TO GRAD SCHOOL WHERE? >> @ WAYNE
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IN DETROIT. IN RATED TV AND FILM. >> WHAT WAS
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NEXT? >> I SPENT A COUPLE OF
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YEARS WORKING MOSTLY AS A JOURNALIST COVERING INTERNATIONAL ISSUES. I EVENTUALLY ENDED UP WORKING ON CAPITOL HILL. I WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS....
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| 00:22:36 |
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GET YOUR PH.D.? >> FROM HOWARD
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UNIVERSITY. >> WHAT YEAR? >>
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IN 1997. >> HOW LONG
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HAVE YOU BEEN TEACHING? >> NOW GOING
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ON 15 YEARS. >> WHO IS
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PAUL JENNINGS? >> PAUL JENNINGS
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| 00:22:52 |
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IS ANOTHER ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS. MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT CALL THEM CHARACTERS. HE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO POUNCED OUT OF A RESEARCH. HE WAS ENSLAVED...
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| 00:24:41 |
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THE INTERNET AND FOUND THE MEMOIR, WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE IT. IT IS VERY SHORT PERIOD IN THE MOST -- ANNIVERSARIES OF -- IT IS...
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| 00:25:01 |
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YES. SHE FELL UPON VERY HARD TIMES. WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES THE PRESIDENCY, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEED SOMEONE TO TREAT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES....
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| 00:29:09 |
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PAUL JENNINGS AND DANIEL WEBSTER? >> PAUL JENNINGS
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| 00:29:15 |
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EVENTUALLY EITHER WORKED OUT A DEAL DANIEL WEBSTER OR IN SOME WAY BECAME -- LEFT DOLLY MADISON'S ENSLAVEMENT AND WENT TO DANIEL WEBSTER. WEBSTER WOULD...
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| 00:29:50 |
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NUMBERS, HOW MANY SLAVES WERE THERE IN THE UNITED STATES? >> 4
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MILLION. THERE WERE MILLIONS. >> HOW MANY
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| 00:29:58 |
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NON-SLAVES WERE THERE IN THE UNITED STATES AT THAT TIME? >> PROBABLY ABOUT 200,000 OR
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| 00:30:08 |
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SO >> WAS A 40% OF THE COUNTRY
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AT THE TIME? >> IT
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| 00:30:17 |
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VARIED. OVERALL, AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE PROBABLY ABOUT 30% TO 40% OF THE COUNTRY. BUT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOUR, IF YOU WERE IN SOME STATES, SOUTH CAROLINA,...
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| 00:30:45 |
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BUT IN THE 1800'S, HOW MUCH WAS A SLAVE WORTH? WHEN YOU HAD TO BUY YOUR FREEDOM, WHAT DID IT COST A SLAVE? >> GOOD
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QUESTION. IT SEEMS TO HAVE VARIED. A GREAT DEAL OF IT DEPENDED ON HOW MUCH HAD BEEN INVESTED IN INDIVIDUAL, THE AGE OF THE INDIVIDUAL, DIFFERENT PRICES...
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| 00:31:46 |
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INDIVIDUALS. >> WHO IS PETER? >> PETER IS ONE
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| 00:31:50 |
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OF THE CARPENTERS. HE WORKED ON THE WHITE HOUSE. RENO FROM THE RECORDS IS THAT THERE WERE FIVE BLACK CARPENTERS WHO WORK ON THE WHITE HOUSE BID AND...
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| 00:34:09 |
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PAGES. YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD WRITE A SMALL BOOK. THIS IS A PAPERBACK. CITY LIGHTS ONLY PUBLISHES A PAPERBACK. HOW WAS IT DONE? >> WE WERE...
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| 00:34:27 |
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SURPRISED AT WHAT HAD BEEN THE SUCCESS OF THE BOOK. CITY LIGHTS WAS GREAT FOR ME TO PUBLISH WITH. I STARTED OFF WITH NO PAGE LIMIT. I HAD WRITTEN OTHER...
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| 00:36:11 |
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YOU SAY, PAGE 19 OF THE BOOK, "U.S. HISTORY IS TAUGHT AND, FOR THE MOST PART, LEARNED THROUGH FILTERS. AND EVERYTHING FROM SCHOOL BOOKS TO MOVIES TO...
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| 00:36:59 |
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CONCLUSION AND A LONG TIME AGO. >> WHEN, A LONG
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| 00:37:01 |
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TIME AGO, DID YOU REACH THAT CONCLUSION? >> I WAS A CHILD
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| 00:37:06 |
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OF THE 1960'S. THAT MEANS THAT I WAS BORN IN 1953 AND I WAS RELATIVELY YOUNG WHEN THE REAL KIND OF SPARK OF ACTIVISM AROUND CIVIL-RIGHTS AND AROUND BY...
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| 00:38:40 |
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43 PEOPLE KILLED IN JULY 1967. WHAT IMPACT DID THAT HAVE ON YOU? DO YOU REMEMBER IT? >> I REMEMBER
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| 00:38:50 |
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IT VIVIDLY. THE 1967 RIOTS IN PART BEGAN A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE. I MOTHER, MY FATHER AND I AND MY SISTERS HAD BEEN IN CANADA. IT STARTED ON A SATURDAY...
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| 00:40:55 |
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ON YOU? >>
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| 00:40:56 |
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IT MADE ME AN ACTIVIST. I THINK IT ALSO MADE ME REFLECTIVE. IT MADE ME TRY TO BEGIN TO SEEK ANSWERS FOR WHY VIOLENCE EXISTED, WHY RACISM EXISTED, WHILE...
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| 00:41:39 |
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RACE READ ALL ABOUT? >> THAT
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WAS -- THE IMMEDIATE SPARK OF IT WAS SIMILAR TO RIOTS IN LONDON WHERE THE VERY ACRIMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY,...
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| 00:42:17 |
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43 THAT WERE KILLED? >>
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KNOW. I DID NOT. >> THERE WERE TWO
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| 00:42:22 |
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WHITE MEN SHOT THEIRRE. OF THE 20 PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOT, DID ANY OF THEM DIE? >>
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NO. >> DID YOU KNOW WHO THEY
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| 00:42:34 |
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WERE? >> NOT AT ALL. IT WAS COMPLETE CHAOS. WE GET TO THE HOSPITAL AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE THERE WHO WERE INJURED. IT IS THE KIND OF SITUATION WHERE...
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| 00:42:57 |
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U.N. TO WAYNE STATE. HOW MUCH EDUCATION DID EUROPE -- YOU SAID YOU WENT TO WAYNE STATE. HOW MUCH EDUCATION DID YOUR PARENTS HAVE? >> BY
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| 00:43:06 |
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PARENTS WERE WORKING CLASS. MY MOTHER WENT AS FAR AS THE FIFTH GRADE AND MY FATHER AS FAR AS THE EIGHTH GRADE. MY MOTHER HAD ALWAYS PLANNED FOR US TO...
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| 00:43:44 |
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THE FAMILY? >> TWO SISTERS,
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| 00:43:46 |
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ONE OLDER AND WONDER. -- AND ONE YOUNGER. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS VERY LOW WORKING-CLASS, NOT THE WORST, BUT FAR FROM BEING THE BEST. PROBABLY BECAUSE MY...
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| 00:44:58 |
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THAT YOUR PARENTS DID? >> MY FATHER WORKED
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| 00:45:02 |
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AT A FACTORY FOR A WHILE AND THEN HE START DOING THAT HE BASICALLY RAN AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. HE RAN WHAT WE CALL AFTER HOURS JOINTS. THESE ARE PLACES...
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| 00:45:34 |
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YEARS. >> ARE THEY ALIVE? >> NO,
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| 00:45:36 |
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THEY HAVE BOTH PASSED. >> I WANT TO READ
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| 00:45:41 |
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TWO PARAGRAPHS. I WANT TO CONTRAST TO THESE TWO PARAGRAPHS IN THIS BOOK . THIS IS PAT BUCHANAN. I WILL READ THE OTHER ONE IN A SECOND. WHEN DID YOU...
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| 00:46:22 |
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VIEW. PAT BUCHANAN IS VERY BOLD. BUT FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY, THAT IS PROBABLY A VERY COMMON VIEW. SOME OF WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING IN THE GROWTH...
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| 00:47:25 |
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BUT EFFORTS HAVE TO ASK YOU WHAT IS WALKER'S APPEAL? >> DAVID WALKER WAS AN
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| 00:47:31 |
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ADVOCATE IN THE 1830'S. HE WAS A FREE BLACK MAN WHO WROTE A PAMPHLET CALLED "DAVID WALKER'S APPEAL" WHICH BASICALLY CALLED FOR BLACK SAVES TO A PRICE....
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| 00:48:54 |
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THE BOOK IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WITH ME MOST OF MY LIFE. IT IS FROM A LANGSTON HUGHES POEM. "I, TOO, AM AMERICAN." IT IS VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD....
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HACKLY? >> SHE IS
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| 00:50:07 |
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ANOTHER FASCINATING WOMEN. ELIZABETH, IT TURNS OUT, ENDED UP BEING THE BEST FRIEND OF MARY LINCOLN. ELIZABETH'S HISTORY IS ONE OF AMAZING SERENDIPITOUS...
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| 00:52:09 |
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STORY WHERE MARY LINCOLN ALSO GOT INTO FINANCIAL TROUBLE AND ELIZABETH KECK WAY WHO WAS NOT A SLAVE, A FRIEND, ENDED UP HELPING
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| 00:52:21 |
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HER? >> YES. ELIZABETH WAS AN INDEPENDENT BUSINESSWOMAN. HER BUSINESS WAS MAKING DRESSES. SHE CAME TO WASHINGTON, D.C. BY CIRCUMSTANCE, SHE ENDED UP...
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| 00:53:54 |
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TIME, THE 48TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE "I HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? >> IT MEANS
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| 00:54:04 |
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THERE IS ANOTHER STEP FORWARD IN THE COUNTRY RECONCILING ITS HISTORY. I SAY THAT BECAUSE STATUES ARE IMPORTANT SYMBOLS OF RECOGNITION. WHAT THIS SAYS...
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| 00:55:29 |
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SCHOOL BENNETT -- THIS BOOK AND OUT? >>
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SINCE DECEMBER 2010. >> WHAT IS
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| 00:55:35 |
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THE MOST SURPRISING THING OR INTERESTING THING THAT A WHITE PERSON THAT HAS READ THIS BOOK HAS SAID TO YOU? >> I HAVE GIVEN MANY
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| 00:55:48 |
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TALKS. ONE IS A TALK I GAVE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT HOW EMOTIONAL IT WAS. THERE WERE A LOT OF YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE AT THE WHITE HOUSE,...
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| 00:56:38 |
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AN IDEA? >> I
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| 00:56:39 |
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DID NOT. I WILL BE VERY HONEST. I SPENT MANY YEARS WRITING ABOUT BLACK POLICY. I WOULD SAY THAT 80% OF THIS BOOK WAS NEW TO ME. I LITERALLY HAD NOT...
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| 00:57:07 |
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WE RUN COMPLETELY OUT OF TIME -- WHEN DID YOU GET MARRIED? >>
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DECEMBER 2007. >> HEMEL CHILDREN
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YOU HAVE? >>
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1. >> WHAT IS HIS
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OR HER NAME? >> HIS
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NAME IS ELLEN. >> IS ELLINGTON
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NAMED AFTER DUCA? >>
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| 00:57:24 |
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YES. -- AFTER DUKE? >>
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| 00:57:30 |
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YES. DUKE ELLINGTON IS SUCH A POSITIVE SYMBOL OF WASHINGTON, D.C. AND WE WANTED TO HONOR HIM. CLARENCE LUSANE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING
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US. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> FOR A DVD COPY OF
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