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BRIAN LAMB, HOST, -
Sarah Brady, can you remember when you decided to write a book? |
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SARAH BRADY, AUTHOR, "A GOOD FIGHT", -
It was just a little bit over a year ago, right around Christmas time. |
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LAMB, -
Why did you do it? |
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BRADY, -
Actually, I swore I'd never do a book unless it was a great mystery novel. And some members of my board suggested it to me, and I thought about it,... |
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LAMB, -
What was it like? |
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BRADY, -
Actually it was a wonderful exercise in going back through your life. Life gets so hectic day in and day out, going from one thing to another. The last... |
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LAMB, -
When were you first diagnosed with cancer? |
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BRADY, -
It was just over two years ago, March 7 two years ago. |
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LAMB, -
What kind? |
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BRADY, -
Small -- non-small-cell lung cancer. |
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LAMB, -
That was caused by what? Because you do write about this. |
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BRADY, -
Yes, it was caused by years of smoking. |
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LAMB, -
So what have the last two years been like, and what kind of shape are you in right now? |
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BRADY, -
I think I'm in marvelous shape. I feel great. They've been -- parts of them have been hard, a lot's been exhilarating, and a lot has been very inspirational... |
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BRADY, -
I've been very fortunate in that I -- my -- I was not able to be operated on, because it had spread to some lymph nodes. But I started in on chemotherapy... |
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BRADY, -
So I had a very easy time through the chemo and the radiation therapy. I was very upbeat. The cancer center that I went to was wonderful and upbeat.... |
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BRADY, -
And then during that entire time I was just convinced I'm just -- I'm going to beat this, it's just -- it's going to go away. And when I finished that... |
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BRADY, -
And then went on a trial drug, a very famous one that is probably soon to be OK'd by the FDA, called Orissa (ph), and was on that for seven months until... |
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BRADY, -
And I'm feeling top-notch, so I'm on top of the world right now, and it -- you learn to enjoy every minute of life. And in a way, it's strange, it gives... |
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LAMB, -
You tell us in the book that your dad died at about your age... |
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BRADY, -
Exactly 60. |
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LAMB, -
... of cancer from smoking. |
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BRADY, -
He had lung cancer. A different -- the different -- a totally different type of lung cancer. But yes. |
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LAMB, -
Now, have you stopped smoking? |
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BRADY, -
I have, I'm in the midst of trying right now. I'm on a program that has kind of got a -- is two-pronged. One is taking a drug to help you with your... |
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BRADY, -
And then you wean yourself off that with the nicotine addiction, and along with this drug, which takes away the anxiety, this time I'm hopeful it'll... |
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LAMB, -
Now, I normally couldn't ask this question of a lady. But because you write about it in the book, is that your real hair? |
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BRADY, -
This is my real hair. It's very strange-looking right now. It all came in curly and very, very dark. And so it's beginning to straighten out a little,... |
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BRADY, -
And I've had it cut out, some of the curls out twice, then I think it'll end up getting back to normal. |
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LAMB, -
How do you compare your own personal experience with cancer with what you went through after your husband was shot? |
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BRADY, -
Well, when Jim was shot, it was because it was a traumatic experience, it happened like that. Your system has a chance -- your system kind of goes into... |
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BRADY, -
That was harder for me in the long run. That was -- it's now been 21 years, and it's a never-ending process. We were very fortunate Jim lived. He had... |
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BRADY, -
But I think that helped prepare me for other things such as learning that I had cancer. |
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LAMB, -
Where do you live today? |
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BRADY, -
We live -- we have moved to Delaware, to the shore, enjoying it thoroughly. We make a lot of trips back here. We're both still active working with the... |
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LAMB, -
Now, what's been the impact on Jim Brady from your -- about your illness? |
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BRADY, -
Well, I think he -- at first he was devastated. But Jim and I are so much alike, it's very strange. We are, I guess you just grow that way after many... |
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LAMB, -
And how's he doing? |
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BRADY, -
He's doing great. |
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LAMB, -
What's he do on a day-to-day basis? |
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BRADY, -
He goes to -- he still does therapy a couple days a week. He gets a lot of rest. In the spring and summer and the fall he fishes. We're -- we have a... |
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BRADY, -
He has a train simulator, and he loves to study -- to get on there and pretend like he's riding a -- driving the train. |
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LAMB, -
There's a picture here in the book of your son, Scott, and another lady. Who's that, up top? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, that's April Parker. That's a friend of Scott's who was with us on Thanksgiving last -- a year ago last Thanksgiving. |
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LAMB, -
How old is Scott, and where does he live, and what does he do? |
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BRADY, -
He's 23 now, and one of the greatest blessings, he's going to be with us all this winter. He's bought property and is building a log cabin south of... |
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BRADY, -
But while the house is -- in the winter, there are times when the house can't be worked on, so he's been with us a lot this winter, and it's been a... |
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LAMB, -
Couple things that jumped out in the book, one is a fear of driving. And I want you to tell us why. And a fear of flying. What about driving? Still... |
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BRADY, -
No, not so much any more. But it happened not too soon after Jim was hurt. Scott was a baby -- a little boy, he was only 2 when Jim was hurt. And it... |
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BRADY, -
It was the one -- especially when Scott was in the car, I got nervous about driving across the 14th Street Bridge. So I would take Memorial Bridge because... |
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LAMB, -
There's a story you tell about you -- in order to, what, not go across 14th Street Bridge, you go all the way around? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, yes. |
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LAMB, -
You know, 25 minutes out of your way? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, yes, I used to -- we used to love to go down and get vegetables down at RFK, fresh vegetables, but would just -- it would have taken 15 minutes... |
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BRADY, -
But I never did give up driving, I just took unusual routes places. |
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LAMB, -
When did the fear of flying begin? And do you still have that? |
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BRADY, -
It's better. When I first started flying again after Jim was hurt, in fact, it was the first flight I ever took, I was going down to Norfolk to give... |
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BRADY, -
But then the driving became OK. I transferred it from cars to airplanes. And I think I'd like to transfer it on to camel riding. |
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LAMB, -
This is the picture that you open the book up with. Who is it, and when was it taken? |
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BRADY, -
That's me when I was 3, up in Buffalo with my Lambie Pie, my little lamb. |
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LAMB, -
What were your parents like? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, they were wonderful. I think I had the neatest, most wonderful home life. My dad was an FBI agent, or he became an FBI agent right after I was born.... |
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BRADY, -
And then I have -- when I was 3, my brother was born, and we -- I remember Buffalo really well, world -- during the war, I remember when the war was... |
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BRADY, -
But everybody just ran out, and I wasn't sure what it was all about, but I knew that it was wonderful news, and a lot of flag-waving and kissing and... |
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LAMB, -
Where else did you as a family live? |
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BRADY, -
Prior to that, we had lived in Newark, New Jersey, and in Norfolk, Virginia. But after Buffalo, after the war, then we were transferred to Washington,... |
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LAMB, -
Where did you eventually go to college? |
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BRADY, -
College of William and Mary in Williamsburg. Lived in Virginia from the time I was 7 on. |
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LAMB, -
And your husband, Jim Brady, calls William and Mary what? |
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BRADY, -
Bill and Mary. Says it's not a 4-year accredited college. |
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LAMB, -
What got you to Washington? And what year did you come here? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, we came in '47, my family did, and that's where I grew up. My dad was transferred in the bureau back to headquarters in Washington. |
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LAMB, -
When did you first get interested in politics? |
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BRADY, -
I think I always had been. My parents were both very interested in it, although not politicians themselves, the news was always on, discussions of politics.... |
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LAMB, -
When did you... |
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BRADY, -
And then in the '60s, I really got a -- really interested in issues, and, I mean, that was the time everybody became involved. I mean, it was -- you... |
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LAMB, -
Your first political job. |
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BRADY, -
Well, my very first one, actually, was even before I got real involved, was in 1960, when I worked up on the Hill for a Republican member of Congress.... |
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LAMB, -
Who is it -- who was the congressman? |
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BRADY, -
His name was Walter Norblad. He was from the first district of -- in Oregon. And it was a wonderful -- I mean, I enjoyed the job thoroughly. I was the... |
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BRADY, -
One of my greatest memories was watching the day that Richard Nixon, who was then vice president of the United States, and as such was president of... |
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BRADY, -
And then I saw John Kennedy give his first State of the Union message, and that was a wonderful thing to be able to see. |
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LAMB, -
Where did you meet Jim Brady? |
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BRADY, -
Met Jim at a Republican National Committee cocktail party. That was much later, when I was actually working for the Republican Congressional Campaign... |
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LAMB, -
There's a picture over here on the right at the bottom of you and Jim Brady and your brother. Who else is in there? |
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BRADY, -
My brother and my mom and me, and Missy, Jim's daughter, Missy. He -- Jim had been married in college for several years. By the time I met him, he was... |
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LAMB, -
What year did you get married? |
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BRADY, -
Seventy-three, 1973. Jim had been working in Chicago representing several Republican members who were running for Congress, and my office at the Congressional... |
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BRADY, -
So for a long time, I thought Jim just wanted my influence. |
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LAMB, -
You worked for Congressman Mike McDivot of -- McKevitt... |
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BRADY, -
McKevitt. |
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LAMB, -
Not McDivot, McKevitt, of Colorado, for one term. And then you went to work for a fellow from New Jersey. |
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BRADY, -
Joe Meresidi (ph). |
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LAMB, -
And you tell this story in here about Joe Meresidi (ph). What it -- what's the story? |
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BRADY, -
I could probably write a whole book about Joe Meresidi (ph). Joe Meresidi (ph) had been in the state senate, he was the majority whip in the state senate,... |
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BRADY, -
And he was the most friendly, grandfatherly -- of course, I was young, so he seemed grandfatherly. He was really just without years older than I am... |
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BRADY, -
And our whole staff from McKevitt's office had come to work for him. And so we -- the staff was young, and we loved him dearly because he was so kind... |
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BRADY, -
But after a while, we started realizing that -- and I would not tell this except it's all public record, and during those years I didn't tell it. We... |
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BRADY, -
And it was very hard for us to deal with for a long time. We just couldn't imagine that this wonderful grandfatherly man was doing it. But he would... |
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BRADY, -
But then it went even further. The next year he put her on our payroll under an assumed name. It was a previous name. She had been married before. And... |
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BRADY, -
But it became just, oh, a terrible thing, we just felt disloyal to his family, and we didn't want to open up and speak out in public about it, and put... |
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BRADY, -
And finally the press heard that some things were going on, and they came -- they called, and Joe Meresidi (ph) -- what a character he was -- he said... |
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BRADY, -
And so I went around and told everybody, and our whole staff was sitting there, phones ringing. And that's what happened every time we got a press call,... |
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BRADY, -
And he never did show back up at -- this was maybe August before the election, it was right in the middle of Watergate. He was on the Watergate -- the... |
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BRADY, -
So he would never talk to the press. |
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LAMB, -
What happened to him? |
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BRADY, -
He -- it finally broke, "Beautiful No-Show Adorns Meresidi (ph) Payroll." He went -- he got defeated, he was defeated. |
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LAMB, -
Is he alive today? |
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BRADY, -
No, I think he's passed away now. He lived for a quite a while. It crushed his family. |
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LAMB, -
Do you remember this picture? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, I sure do. That's... |
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LAMB, -
Where was it? |
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BRADY, -
That's in -- at the White House the day Jim was sworn in as White House press secretary. That's Ronald -- President Reagan, my mom and my aunt, and... |
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LAMB, -
That would have been what date, you remember? |
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BRADY, -
It would have been January... |
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LAMB, -
After the 20th? |
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BRADY, -
Yes. |
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LAMB, -
Right after the 20th? |
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BRADY, -
About two or three days later. |
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LAMB, -
So you literally move two months ahead to March 30th, 1981. Where were you when you first heard that Jim had been shot? |
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BRADY, -
I was at home in our rec room in Arlington. I'd just picked Scott up from a little church play school. And he was playing, and I had turned on the soap... |
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BRADY, -
And I didn't think too much of it, because I thought, Well, Jim wouldn't be there. And they did say, "Apparently the president was unhurt." |
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BRADY, -
And several minutes later I got a call from a friend who asked if she could come get Scott. And I said, "Well, what for?" And she started crying, and... |
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BRADY, -
So I hung up and called the White House to verify that he had been hit. And then things just went so quickly. I left within 15 minutes to go over to... |
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BRADY, -
And it was only when I got there that I heard how devastating it was from his neurosurgeon. |
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LAMB, -
Do you remember how you handled it all, I mean, in your own head, at the time? I mean, how did you get through what -- was -- what, November, he was... |
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BRADY, -
In -- till November, yes. That first five hours during the operation were difficult ones, and those were ones you just keep busy, call -- I mean, I... |
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BRADY, -
And then Jim was just amazing. They never even dreamed he would wake up right away after the operation. The doctor, when he -- when the five-hour operation... |
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BRADY, -
So the doctors were just elated. And I became elated then. |
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LAMB, -
Why does he call you Raccoon? |
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BRADY, -
Dark circles, little hands, big belly, love to eat, you know, that kind -- just look like a raccoon. |
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LAMB, -
When did he start calling you that? |
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BRADY, -
Right after he met me. |
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LAMB, -
Did it endear you to him? |
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BRADY, -
Well, it takes a little bit of time to realize that raccoons are something flattering to be. But now I look in a -- and I can see the resemblance. |
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LAMB, -
What do you call him? |
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BRADY, -
A bear, Pooh, Pooh. |
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LAMB, -
Where did that come from? |
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BRADY, -
He'd had that nickname before. And how -- Jim always assigned animal names to everybody. I mean, there was the Rabbit and the Owl and the Cat. |
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LAMB, -
Does Scott, your son, have a name, an animal name? |
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BRADY, -
Jim will just call him the Cub, the Cub. |
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LAMB, -
Now, this man has played a big role in your life. |
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BRADY, -
Art Cobrain (ph), Dr. Cobrain, a magnificent technician as a surgeon, a wonderful surgeon, but a wonderful friend, and somebody who agonized and spent... |
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BRADY, -
He had a grand malseizure. |
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LAMB, -
Which is what? What's a grand malseizure? |
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BRADY, -
And head injuries very often, almost with most head-injured people, severe, you get seizures afterwards. So you -- they put you on an antiseizure medication... |
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BRADY, -
And in August of that first year, he just out of the blue started seizing, and it was so severe that they had to snow him under, totally unconscious,... |
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BRADY, -
But during that process, he shook loose something in the brain that allowed spinal fluid to begin dripping from his brain down through his nose, meaning... |
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LAMB, -
You tell us in the book that you have made a lot of speeches over the years, when you got involved in the Brady Bill and all that. Do you have any sense... |
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BRADY, -
Oh, it has to be in the -- I would imagine 500 -- between 500 and 1,000, at least. |
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LAMB, -
How many times have you had to tell this story we're talking about right now? |
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BRADY, -
Usually I touch, I touch on Jim, I touch on how things happened, never in total detail, because I like to make my speeches normally fairly light and... |
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BRADY, -
So I don't normally go through everything totally . There's so many -- there's so much -- you know, when you have a life that goes on -- I mean, interesting... |
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LAMB, -
What I was leading to is that I know you often have an answer -- question and answer period. What's the questions that are always asked of you, by every... |
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BRADY, -
OK, you -- if it's gun -- and most of -- many of mine have been all on the issue of gun safety, that type of thing, that usually the very first question... |
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LAMB, -
What about your husband's episode and all that? What do they ask you about that? |
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BRADY, -
They usually ask, How do we feel about John Hinckley? |
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LAMB, -
And you have a chapter in here about, "I Hate John Hinckley." What's that story? |
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BRADY, -
And that story doesn't reflect how we truly feel about John Hinckley. What it really reflects on is our son. He was about 3, it was in the second year... |
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BRADY, -
And although it's joyous and wonderful to get them home, life then, all of a sudden the trauma part's over, the adrenaline isn't there any more, and... |
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BRADY, -
And one night Scott and I -- I was reading to Scott before bed. He wasn't paying a lot of attention. And I snapped at him, and I was kind of irritable.... |
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BRADY, -
I said, "Well, honey" -- because we had tried not to impart any of those kind of feelings -- "why? I know it's a terrible thing he did, but we don't... |
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BRADY, -
And I just started crying. I thought, What a wonderful observation, and how wonderful he was able to get that out. He didn't hate the man, John Hinckley,... |
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LAMB, -
What was the reaction from the Reagan family after all this? And here's a picture of you taken when? |
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BRADY, -
Oh, several years, probably five years after Jim was shot, maybe a little bit longer, eight -- toward the end of the Reagan administration. |
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BRADY, -
I can't even begin to tell you how wonderful both Reagans were to us and our family. Nancy was absolutely amazing, right from the very beginning, she'd... |
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BRADY, -
They included us in just so many things, toward the end, even, in their private residence, to parties up there when they -- sort of toward the very... |
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BRADY, -
In fact, one of our favorite ones was when we had gone down to Camp Hoover, Jim and I and some friends, and this isn't even in the book, I have so many... |
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BRADY, -
We'd gone to Camp Hoover, which is 100 miles outside of Washington, and Hoover built it because he wanted a fishing place. And his rules were, it had... |
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BRADY, -
And it's -- some presidents have used it very much like Camp David, but not in recent years. There's no telephone there. It's a marvelous big old house... |
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BRADY, -
And we were down there with a lot of friends. It was Jim's birthday, so we had signed up to go down there. You'd sign up and then pay to go, you know.... |
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BRADY, -
And another, another car, and it was the park rangers coming down to say, President Reagan has called and wants to talk to Mr. Brady, so we're here... |
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BRADY, -
And I said to Jim, "Which of these vehicles would be best?" And Jim right away said, "I think I'll ride in the ambulance so I can lay down." |
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BRADY, -
So he was there with his rum and tonic riding up the side of the mountain in an ambulance, which he really didn't need, and I rode in with him. And... |
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LAMB, -
Still. |
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BRADY, -
Well, she -- yes, she sends cards or a letter. |
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LAMB, -
How have you -- how did you all make it through these 20-some years financially? |
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BRADY, -
We've done fine. I went back to work toward the end of the '80s, so I worked all those -- I've been working all these years. Jim has, I mean, a government... |
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LAMB, -
Does the government do enough for people that have been wounded in the line of fire working for the government? I mean, we've gone through this whole... |
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BRADY, -
Oh, absolutely. Both Jim and I think -- are proud people, I think they've been very good to us. We -- I mean, we do get what everybody else -- actually... |
| 00:40:029 sec. |
LAMB, -
Do you ever get a call from somebody in the Republican Party saying, We want to do everything we can to make it financially comfortable for you? |
| 00:40:111 min. |
BRADY, -
No, I haven't had anything like that in a long time. There was a foundation, the Brady Foundation, which was really organized -- I think the brains... |
| 00:41:211 sec. |
LAMB, -
Like a military person. |
| 00:41:2223 sec. |
BRADY, -
Yes, it's nothing special had been set up. And the purpose of it is pretty much that if there are any special needs, like Jim has -- normally needs... |
| 00:41:4516 sec. |
LAMB, -
You tell a story in here, and I think it was in the '90s, where you and Jim were in a hotel room, and he got up to move and fell into the closet. And... |
| 00:42:012 sec. |
BRADY, -
It was an awful experience. |
| 00:42:031 sec. |
LAMB, -
What was this … |
| 00:42:048 sec. |
BRADY, -
Another one of those setbacks. It was back in the mid-'90s. It's been doing beautifully. We were up there to get an award. |
| 00:42:121 sec. |
LAMB, -
Where were you? |
| 00:42:1324 sec. |
BRADY, -
New York, in a hotel, going to get up the next morning. We'd just been to dinner. And Jim, when he walks, always edges along the side of a wall, just... |
| 00:42:3717 sec. |
BRADY, -
And because he's on a blood thinner, Coumadin, he bruised and bled immediately. And his face, he looked like he'd -- well, I thought he was dead, I... |
| 00:42:5421 sec. |
BRADY, -
And we got him to the emergency room, and they X-rayed and they put him through everything, CAT scans, X-rays. And he didn't hurt himself seriously... |
| 00:43:151 sec. |
LAMB, -
But then you had to go through... |
| 00:43:1634 sec. |
BRADY, -
Then what was really horrible about that, this led to the next thing that kind of happened. He had to have -- we decided rather than getting a whole... |
| 00:43:5023 sec. |
BRADY, -
And they came out and said, "Mr. Brady's gone into cardiac arrest, we're taking -- we called 911." And he went into cardiac arrest, and it was so bad... |
| 00:44:1332 sec. |
BRADY, -
But the heart had not suffered any damage, and it was -- it had not been a heart attack. It was a reaction, not an allergic reaction, but an overreaction... |
| 00:44:4516 sec. |
BRADY, -
So he was in that -- in the hospital for two weeks with that, and of course that was potentially very life-threatening situations. We had to call Scott... |
| 00:45:013 sec. |
LAMB, -
You had to call Scott into town because you didn't think he was going to live. |
| 00:45:04 |
BRADY, -
Right. |
| 00:45:046 sec. |
LAMB, -
Any of that -- does he have any of that kind of a problem today? Seizures and... |
| 00:45:103 sec. |
BRADY, -
Knock on wood, no. He... |
| 00:45:132 sec. |
LAMB, -
How old is Jim Brady today? |
| 00:45:1521 sec. |
BRADY, -
Sixty-one. He is sixty-one. He did this week, actually, but I think it's an old -- do -- his podiatrist, who cuts his toenails, thought he had a blood... |
| 00:45:3615 sec. |
LAMB, -
In addition to Jim Brady and all the problems he's had for the last 20 years, and your cancer, you tell the story about Scott and his education. How... |
| 00:45:5139 sec. |
BRADY, -
Oh, my goodness. About six, I think. Scott is just the most wonderful child, right from the beginning, was. Very active, and he has attention deficit.... |
| 00:46:3032 sec. |
BRADY, -
And in those days, it was very difficult. That's been a long time ago, and things have changed a lot, in that there were not -- the public schools were... |
| 00:47:0229 sec. |
BRADY, -
But, you know, I spent year after year after year trying to find the right place. It's -- he'd do fine for a while, but he wasn't in the old of everybody... |
| 00:47:3125 sec. |
BRADY, -
But what I learned from this, and what's now very prevalent, is people -- oh, there's so much more written. But there are educational specialists who... |
| 00:47:565 sec. |
BRADY, -
In fact, Scott now is building a house south of Charlottesville, he loved that area so much. |
| 00:48:01 |
LAMB, -
He's how old? |
| 00:48:011 sec. |
BRADY, -
Twenty-three. |
| 00:48:022 sec. |
LAMB, -
Did he get a college degree? |
| 00:48:0429 sec. |
BRADY, -
No, but I'm hoping he'll -- and he's planning to go back. And he knew, Scott knew he was not ready when he graduated from high school to -- he -- he... |
| 00:48:3322 sec. |
BRADY, -
We're all very fast-paced, impatient people. But Scott knew himself well enough to know he wasn't ready. I didn't when I went to college, and I didn't... |
| 00:48:552 sec. |
BRADY, -
Now Scott's ready. |
| 00:48:573 sec. |
LAMB, -
The Brady Bill passed what year? |
| 00:49:007 sec. |
BRADY, -
It passed in 1993. The president signed it into law. |
| 00:49:071 sec. |
LAMB, -
Which president? |
| 00:49:086 sec. |
BRADY, -
President Clinton. And then it became -- it went into effect in '94. |
| 00:49:143 sec. |
LAMB, -
How many years did you work for handgun control? |
| 00:49:1731 sec. |
BRADY, -
Well, I started as a volunteer in 1985, went on the payroll in '89, and I'm still continuing to -- I've slowed down, but I still continue. It's now... |
| 00:49:484 sec. |
LAMB, -
After all this experience, do you still call yourself a Republican? |
| 00:49:5217 sec. |
BRADY, -
I call myself an independent, I think. I vote on issues, not always just the gun issue, I'm not a one-issue person. I -- issues are very important to... |
| 00:50:092 sec. |
LAMB, -
Where is this picture? |
| 00:50:1117 sec. |
BRADY, -
That picture was taken in the Senate swamp when we won the Senate. That's George Mitchell, Senator Biden -- Senator Dowell, it looks like, Senator Biden,... |
| 00:50:287 sec. |
LAMB, -
In the book, though, you tell us about some people you don't like too much. You call Senator Phil Gramm arrogant. Why? |
| 00:50:3531 sec. |
BRADY, -
Oh, I thought he was very arrogant. He almost had the attitude from the moment we walked in, Oh, it's very understandable that you, Sarah Brady, would... |
| 00:51:062 sec. |
LAMB, -
What would the Brady Bill do? |
| 00:51:0829 sec. |
BRADY, -
The Brady Bill stopped people from purchasing guns from dealers if they were a fugitive. It required background checks, a waiting period and background... |
| 00:51:376 sec. |
LAMB, -
You say in trying to get this passed that Dick Cheney wasn't very helpful to you, wouldn't return your phone calls. |
| 00:51:4334 sec. |
BRADY, -
No. In fact, even before that, Dick Cheney was -- and understandably from Wyoming, that's a tough state. But the plastic gun bill came up several years... |
| 00:52:1729 sec. |
BRADY, -
And, I mean, it was -- that's kind of a no-brainer. In fact, only four people in the House of Representatives voted against it, and Dick Cheney was... |
| 00:52:465 sec. |
LAMB, -
George Herbert Walker Bush, President George Bush 41, didn't support you. |
| 00:52:514 sec. |
BRADY, -
No. And who I had thought and hoped and was... |
| 00:52:554 sec. |
LAMB, -
Only president alive that didn't support you, I mean, ex-president. |
| 00:52:595 sec. |
BRADY, -
Only president alive. Ford, Nixon, Reagan... |
| 00:53:042 sec. |
LAMB, -
Carter, Clinton. |
| 00:53:061 sec. |
BRADY, -
... Carter, Clinton. |
| 00:53:076 sec. |
LAMB, -
George Bush, the president now, as governor signed in a law or -- Tell that story. |
| 00:53:1324 sec. |
BRADY, -
He in Texas supported a concealed weapon bill and signed it into law, allowing people to carry concealed weapons, literally practically everywhere,... |
| 00:53:3717 sec. |
BRADY, -
It had -- even Texas, which is really -- I mean, I -- we think of as really being gun country, and there are an awful lot of wonderful brave people... |
| 00:53:543 sec. |
LAMB, -
What's the story about when you called the NRA? |
| 00:53:573 sec. |
BRADY, -
That's... |
| 00:54:001 sec. |
LAMB, -
First time? |
| 00:54:015 sec. |
BRADY, -
First time. We had just been in Centralia, Jim and... |
| 00:54:061 sec. |
LAMB, -
Centralia, Illinois. |
| 00:54:0730 sec. |
BRADY, -
My husband's home town. Scott and me. And while we were out there, Scott was a little boy about 5. We went to go swimming with some friends, and they... |
| 00:54:3713 sec. |
BRADY, -
And I said, "Scott." And I took it from him. I said, "You don't even point a toy gun at anyone." And then I realized it was not a toy gun, it was a... |
| 00:54:5011 sec. |
BRADY, -
And so, I mean, I was just absolutely shocked that anybody would leave his loaded gun where a kid could get ahold of it. |
| 00:55:0114 sec. |
BRADY, -
So when we back -- went back to Washington, I happened to hear within the next night or two -- it was in August -- that the NRA was pushing for a bill... |
| 00:55:1524 sec. |
BRADY, -
And the piece of legislation was called McClure-Volkmer. I was …-- I was doing dishes, it was late, 7:00 at night. And I picked up the phone and called... |
| 00:55:398 sec. |
BRADY, -
And the next day I called Charlie Orrison (ph) at Handgun Control and said, "Can I help?" And then that was the beginning. |
| 00:55:475 sec. |
LAMB, -
You met Charlton Heston once? Where? |
| 00:55:526 sec. |
BRADY, -
At the convention -- at a convention for Ronald Reagan, the second convention. |
| 00:55:581 sec. |
LAMB, -
Eighty-four? |
| 00:55:5920 sec. |
BRADY, -
In '84, in one of the little holding rooms. He was going to be doing the Pledge of Allegiance, or -- And we were there just because the -- of making... |
| 00:56:191 sec. |
LAMB, -
Your reaction to him? |
| 00:56:2034 sec. |
BRADY, -
Well, I just thought he was rather funny and peculiar, and that he talked -- he didn't sit and talk like a normal person, he sort of talked like he... |
| 00:56:543 sec. |
LAMB, -
In all your work on the Brady Bill, did you ever see him again? |
| 00:56:5736 sec. |
BRADY, -
No, we ran into him out in California. Nancy Reagan had -- she had the Reagan -- Nancy Reagan Foundation, and she gave awards. And she gave one to our... |
| 00:57:3312 sec. |
BRADY, -
And only one time, when he was kind of forced into saying -- he looked down and said, "Hello, Mr. Brady," and walked off. And there was never any kind... |
| 00:57:455 sec. |
LAMB, -
The picture on the cover of the book is what year? |
| 00:57:505 sec. |
BRADY, -
Early -- probably '82 -- I mean, '92. |
| 00:57:557 sec. |
LAMB, -
We're out of time. It's called "A Good Fight." Sarah Brady is the author. Thank you very much for joining us. |
| 00:58:0243 sec. |
BRADY, -
Thank you. |