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BRIAN LAMB, HOST, -

Sarah Brady, can you remember when you decided to write a book?

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SARAH BRADY, AUTHOR, "A GOOD FIGHT", -

It was just a little bit over a year ago, right around Christmas time.

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LAMB, -

Why did you do it?

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BRADY, -

Actually, I swore I'd never do a book unless it was a great mystery novel. And some members of my board suggested it to me, and I thought about it,...

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LAMB, -

What was it like?

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BRADY, -

Actually it was a wonderful exercise in going back through your life. Life gets so hectic day in and day out, going from one thing to another. The last...

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LAMB, -

When were you first diagnosed with cancer?

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BRADY, -

It was just over two years ago, March 7 two years ago.

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LAMB, -

What kind?

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BRADY, -

Small -- non-small-cell lung cancer.

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LAMB, -

That was caused by what? Because you do write about this.

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BRADY, -

Yes, it was caused by years of smoking.

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LAMB, -

So what have the last two years been like, and what kind of shape are you in right now?

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BRADY, -

I think I'm in marvelous shape. I feel great. They've been -- parts of them have been hard, a lot's been exhilarating, and a lot has been very inspirational...

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BRADY, -

I've been very fortunate in that I -- my -- I was not able to be operated on, because it had spread to some lymph nodes. But I started in on chemotherapy...

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BRADY, -

So I had a very easy time through the chemo and the radiation therapy. I was very upbeat. The cancer center that I went to was wonderful and upbeat....

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BRADY, -

And then during that entire time I was just convinced I'm just -- I'm going to beat this, it's just -- it's going to go away. And when I finished that...

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BRADY, -

And then went on a trial drug, a very famous one that is probably soon to be OK'd by the FDA, called Orissa (ph), and was on that for seven months until...

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BRADY, -

And I'm feeling top-notch, so I'm on top of the world right now, and it -- you learn to enjoy every minute of life. And in a way, it's strange, it gives...

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LAMB, -

You tell us in the book that your dad died at about your age...

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BRADY, -

Exactly 60.

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LAMB, -

... of cancer from smoking.

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BRADY, -

He had lung cancer. A different -- the different -- a totally different type of lung cancer. But yes.

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LAMB, -

Now, have you stopped smoking?

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BRADY, -

I have, I'm in the midst of trying right now. I'm on a program that has kind of got a -- is two-pronged. One is taking a drug to help you with your...

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BRADY, -

And then you wean yourself off that with the nicotine addiction, and along with this drug, which takes away the anxiety, this time I'm hopeful it'll...

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LAMB, -

Now, I normally couldn't ask this question of a lady. But because you write about it in the book, is that your real hair?

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BRADY, -

This is my real hair. It's very strange-looking right now. It all came in curly and very, very dark. And so it's beginning to straighten out a little,...

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BRADY, -

And I've had it cut out, some of the curls out twice, then I think it'll end up getting back to normal.

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LAMB, -

How do you compare your own personal experience with cancer with what you went through after your husband was shot?

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BRADY, -

Well, when Jim was shot, it was because it was a traumatic experience, it happened like that. Your system has a chance -- your system kind of goes into...

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BRADY, -

That was harder for me in the long run. That was -- it's now been 21 years, and it's a never-ending process. We were very fortunate Jim lived. He had...

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BRADY, -

But I think that helped prepare me for other things such as learning that I had cancer.

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LAMB, -

Where do you live today?

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BRADY, -

We live -- we have moved to Delaware, to the shore, enjoying it thoroughly. We make a lot of trips back here. We're both still active working with the...

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LAMB, -

Now, what's been the impact on Jim Brady from your -- about your illness?

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BRADY, -

Well, I think he -- at first he was devastated. But Jim and I are so much alike, it's very strange. We are, I guess you just grow that way after many...

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LAMB, -

And how's he doing?

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BRADY, -

He's doing great.

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LAMB, -

What's he do on a day-to-day basis?

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BRADY, -

He goes to -- he still does therapy a couple days a week. He gets a lot of rest. In the spring and summer and the fall he fishes. We're -- we have a...

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BRADY, -

He has a train simulator, and he loves to study -- to get on there and pretend like he's riding a -- driving the train.

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LAMB, -

There's a picture here in the book of your son, Scott, and another lady. Who's that, up top?

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BRADY, -

Oh, that's April Parker. That's a friend of Scott's who was with us on Thanksgiving last -- a year ago last Thanksgiving.

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LAMB, -

How old is Scott, and where does he live, and what does he do?

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BRADY, -

He's 23 now, and one of the greatest blessings, he's going to be with us all this winter. He's bought property and is building a log cabin south of...

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BRADY, -

But while the house is -- in the winter, there are times when the house can't be worked on, so he's been with us a lot this winter, and it's been a...

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LAMB, -

Couple things that jumped out in the book, one is a fear of driving. And I want you to tell us why. And a fear of flying. What about driving? Still...

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BRADY, -

No, not so much any more. But it happened not too soon after Jim was hurt. Scott was a baby -- a little boy, he was only 2 when Jim was hurt. And it...

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BRADY, -

It was the one -- especially when Scott was in the car, I got nervous about driving across the 14th Street Bridge. So I would take Memorial Bridge because...

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LAMB, -

There's a story you tell about you -- in order to, what, not go across 14th Street Bridge, you go all the way around?

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BRADY, -

Oh, yes.

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LAMB, -

You know, 25 minutes out of your way?

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BRADY, -

Oh, yes, I used to -- we used to love to go down and get vegetables down at RFK, fresh vegetables, but would just -- it would have taken 15 minutes...

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BRADY, -

But I never did give up driving, I just took unusual routes places.

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LAMB, -

When did the fear of flying begin? And do you still have that?

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BRADY, -

It's better. When I first started flying again after Jim was hurt, in fact, it was the first flight I ever took, I was going down to Norfolk to give...

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BRADY, -

But then the driving became OK. I transferred it from cars to airplanes. And I think I'd like to transfer it on to camel riding.

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LAMB, -

This is the picture that you open the book up with. Who is it, and when was it taken?

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BRADY, -

That's me when I was 3, up in Buffalo with my Lambie Pie, my little lamb.

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LAMB, -

What were your parents like?

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BRADY, -

Oh, they were wonderful. I think I had the neatest, most wonderful home life. My dad was an FBI agent, or he became an FBI agent right after I was born....

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BRADY, -

And then I have -- when I was 3, my brother was born, and we -- I remember Buffalo really well, world -- during the war, I remember when the war was...

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BRADY, -

But everybody just ran out, and I wasn't sure what it was all about, but I knew that it was wonderful news, and a lot of flag-waving and kissing and...

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LAMB, -

Where else did you as a family live?

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BRADY, -

Prior to that, we had lived in Newark, New Jersey, and in Norfolk, Virginia. But after Buffalo, after the war, then we were transferred to Washington,...

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LAMB, -

Where did you eventually go to college?

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BRADY, -

College of William and Mary in Williamsburg. Lived in Virginia from the time I was 7 on.

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LAMB, -

And your husband, Jim Brady, calls William and Mary what?

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BRADY, -

Bill and Mary. Says it's not a 4-year accredited college.

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LAMB, -

What got you to Washington? And what year did you come here?

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BRADY, -

Oh, we came in '47, my family did, and that's where I grew up. My dad was transferred in the bureau back to headquarters in Washington.

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LAMB, -

When did you first get interested in politics?

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BRADY, -

I think I always had been. My parents were both very interested in it, although not politicians themselves, the news was always on, discussions of politics....

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LAMB, -

When did you...

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BRADY, -

And then in the '60s, I really got a -- really interested in issues, and, I mean, that was the time everybody became involved. I mean, it was -- you...

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LAMB, -

Your first political job.

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BRADY, -

Well, my very first one, actually, was even before I got real involved, was in 1960, when I worked up on the Hill for a Republican member of Congress....

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LAMB, -

Who is it -- who was the congressman?

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BRADY, -

His name was Walter Norblad. He was from the first district of -- in Oregon. And it was a wonderful -- I mean, I enjoyed the job thoroughly. I was the...

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BRADY, -

One of my greatest memories was watching the day that Richard Nixon, who was then vice president of the United States, and as such was president of...

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BRADY, -

And then I saw John Kennedy give his first State of the Union message, and that was a wonderful thing to be able to see.

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LAMB, -

Where did you meet Jim Brady?

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BRADY, -

Met Jim at a Republican National Committee cocktail party. That was much later, when I was actually working for the Republican Congressional Campaign...

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LAMB, -

There's a picture over here on the right at the bottom of you and Jim Brady and your brother. Who else is in there?

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BRADY, -

My brother and my mom and me, and Missy, Jim's daughter, Missy. He -- Jim had been married in college for several years. By the time I met him, he was...

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LAMB, -

What year did you get married?

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BRADY, -

Seventy-three, 1973. Jim had been working in Chicago representing several Republican members who were running for Congress, and my office at the Congressional...

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BRADY, -

So for a long time, I thought Jim just wanted my influence.

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LAMB, -

You worked for Congressman Mike McDivot of -- McKevitt...

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BRADY, -

McKevitt.

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LAMB, -

Not McDivot, McKevitt, of Colorado, for one term. And then you went to work for a fellow from New Jersey.

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BRADY, -

Joe Meresidi (ph).

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LAMB, -

And you tell this story in here about Joe Meresidi (ph). What it -- what's the story?

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BRADY, -

I could probably write a whole book about Joe Meresidi (ph). Joe Meresidi (ph) had been in the state senate, he was the majority whip in the state senate,...

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BRADY, -

And he was the most friendly, grandfatherly -- of course, I was young, so he seemed grandfatherly. He was really just without years older than I am...

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BRADY, -

And our whole staff from McKevitt's office had come to work for him. And so we -- the staff was young, and we loved him dearly because he was so kind...

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BRADY, -

But after a while, we started realizing that -- and I would not tell this except it's all public record, and during those years I didn't tell it. We...

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BRADY, -

And it was very hard for us to deal with for a long time. We just couldn't imagine that this wonderful grandfatherly man was doing it. But he would...

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BRADY, -

But then it went even further. The next year he put her on our payroll under an assumed name. It was a previous name. She had been married before. And...

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BRADY, -

But it became just, oh, a terrible thing, we just felt disloyal to his family, and we didn't want to open up and speak out in public about it, and put...

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BRADY, -

And finally the press heard that some things were going on, and they came -- they called, and Joe Meresidi (ph) -- what a character he was -- he said...

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BRADY, -

And so I went around and told everybody, and our whole staff was sitting there, phones ringing. And that's what happened every time we got a press call,...

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BRADY, -

And he never did show back up at -- this was maybe August before the election, it was right in the middle of Watergate. He was on the Watergate -- the...

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BRADY, -

So he would never talk to the press.

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LAMB, -

What happened to him?

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BRADY, -

He -- it finally broke, "Beautiful No-Show Adorns Meresidi (ph) Payroll." He went -- he got defeated, he was defeated.

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LAMB, -

Is he alive today?

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BRADY, -

No, I think he's passed away now. He lived for a quite a while. It crushed his family.

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LAMB, -

Do you remember this picture?

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BRADY, -

Oh, I sure do. That's...

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LAMB, -

Where was it?

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BRADY, -

That's in -- at the White House the day Jim was sworn in as White House press secretary. That's Ronald -- President Reagan, my mom and my aunt, and...

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LAMB, -

That would have been what date, you remember?

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BRADY, -

It would have been January...

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LAMB, -

After the 20th?

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BRADY, -

Yes.

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LAMB, -

Right after the 20th?

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BRADY, -

About two or three days later.

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LAMB, -

So you literally move two months ahead to March 30th, 1981. Where were you when you first heard that Jim had been shot?

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BRADY, -

I was at home in our rec room in Arlington. I'd just picked Scott up from a little church play school. And he was playing, and I had turned on the soap...

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BRADY, -

And I didn't think too much of it, because I thought, Well, Jim wouldn't be there. And they did say, "Apparently the president was unhurt."

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BRADY, -

And several minutes later I got a call from a friend who asked if she could come get Scott. And I said, "Well, what for?" And she started crying, and...

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BRADY, -

So I hung up and called the White House to verify that he had been hit. And then things just went so quickly. I left within 15 minutes to go over to...

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BRADY, -

And it was only when I got there that I heard how devastating it was from his neurosurgeon.

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LAMB, -

Do you remember how you handled it all, I mean, in your own head, at the time? I mean, how did you get through what -- was -- what, November, he was...

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BRADY, -

In -- till November, yes. That first five hours during the operation were difficult ones, and those were ones you just keep busy, call -- I mean, I...

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BRADY, -

And then Jim was just amazing. They never even dreamed he would wake up right away after the operation. The doctor, when he -- when the five-hour operation...

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BRADY, -

So the doctors were just elated. And I became elated then.

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LAMB, -

Why does he call you Raccoon?

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BRADY, -

Dark circles, little hands, big belly, love to eat, you know, that kind -- just look like a raccoon.

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LAMB, -

When did he start calling you that?

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BRADY, -

Right after he met me.

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LAMB, -

Did it endear you to him?

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BRADY, -

Well, it takes a little bit of time to realize that raccoons are something flattering to be. But now I look in a -- and I can see the resemblance.

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LAMB, -

What do you call him?

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BRADY, -

A bear, Pooh, Pooh.

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LAMB, -

Where did that come from?

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BRADY, -

He'd had that nickname before. And how -- Jim always assigned animal names to everybody. I mean, there was the Rabbit and the Owl and the Cat.

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LAMB, -

Does Scott, your son, have a name, an animal name?

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BRADY, -

Jim will just call him the Cub, the Cub.

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LAMB, -

Now, this man has played a big role in your life.

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BRADY, -

Art Cobrain (ph), Dr. Cobrain, a magnificent technician as a surgeon, a wonderful surgeon, but a wonderful friend, and somebody who agonized and spent...

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BRADY, -

He had a grand malseizure.

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LAMB, -

Which is what? What's a grand malseizure?

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BRADY, -

And head injuries very often, almost with most head-injured people, severe, you get seizures afterwards. So you -- they put you on an antiseizure medication...

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BRADY, -

And in August of that first year, he just out of the blue started seizing, and it was so severe that they had to snow him under, totally unconscious,...

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BRADY, -

But during that process, he shook loose something in the brain that allowed spinal fluid to begin dripping from his brain down through his nose, meaning...

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LAMB, -

You tell us in the book that you have made a lot of speeches over the years, when you got involved in the Brady Bill and all that. Do you have any sense...

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BRADY, -

Oh, it has to be in the -- I would imagine 500 -- between 500 and 1,000, at least.

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LAMB, -

How many times have you had to tell this story we're talking about right now?

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BRADY, -

Usually I touch, I touch on Jim, I touch on how things happened, never in total detail, because I like to make my speeches normally fairly light and...

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BRADY, -

So I don't normally go through everything totally . There's so many -- there's so much -- you know, when you have a life that goes on -- I mean, interesting...

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LAMB, -

What I was leading to is that I know you often have an answer -- question and answer period. What's the questions that are always asked of you, by every...

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BRADY, -

OK, you -- if it's gun -- and most of -- many of mine have been all on the issue of gun safety, that type of thing, that usually the very first question...

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LAMB, -

What about your husband's episode and all that? What do they ask you about that?

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BRADY, -

They usually ask, How do we feel about John Hinckley?

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LAMB, -

And you have a chapter in here about, "I Hate John Hinckley." What's that story?

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BRADY, -

And that story doesn't reflect how we truly feel about John Hinckley. What it really reflects on is our son. He was about 3, it was in the second year...

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BRADY, -

And although it's joyous and wonderful to get them home, life then, all of a sudden the trauma part's over, the adrenaline isn't there any more, and...

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BRADY, -

And one night Scott and I -- I was reading to Scott before bed. He wasn't paying a lot of attention. And I snapped at him, and I was kind of irritable....

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BRADY, -

I said, "Well, honey" -- because we had tried not to impart any of those kind of feelings -- "why? I know it's a terrible thing he did, but we don't...

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BRADY, -

And I just started crying. I thought, What a wonderful observation, and how wonderful he was able to get that out. He didn't hate the man, John Hinckley,...

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LAMB, -

What was the reaction from the Reagan family after all this? And here's a picture of you taken when?

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BRADY, -

Oh, several years, probably five years after Jim was shot, maybe a little bit longer, eight -- toward the end of the Reagan administration.

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BRADY, -

I can't even begin to tell you how wonderful both Reagans were to us and our family. Nancy was absolutely amazing, right from the very beginning, she'd...

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BRADY, -

They included us in just so many things, toward the end, even, in their private residence, to parties up there when they -- sort of toward the very...

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BRADY, -

In fact, one of our favorite ones was when we had gone down to Camp Hoover, Jim and I and some friends, and this isn't even in the book, I have so many...

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BRADY, -

We'd gone to Camp Hoover, which is 100 miles outside of Washington, and Hoover built it because he wanted a fishing place. And his rules were, it had...

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BRADY, -

And it's -- some presidents have used it very much like Camp David, but not in recent years. There's no telephone there. It's a marvelous big old house...

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BRADY, -

And we were down there with a lot of friends. It was Jim's birthday, so we had signed up to go down there. You'd sign up and then pay to go, you know....

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BRADY, -

And another, another car, and it was the park rangers coming down to say, President Reagan has called and wants to talk to Mr. Brady, so we're here...

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BRADY, -

And I said to Jim, "Which of these vehicles would be best?" And Jim right away said, "I think I'll ride in the ambulance so I can lay down."

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BRADY, -

So he was there with his rum and tonic riding up the side of the mountain in an ambulance, which he really didn't need, and I rode in with him. And...

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LAMB, -

Still.

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BRADY, -

Well, she -- yes, she sends cards or a letter.

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LAMB, -

How have you -- how did you all make it through these 20-some years financially?

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BRADY, -

We've done fine. I went back to work toward the end of the '80s, so I worked all those -- I've been working all these years. Jim has, I mean, a government...

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LAMB, -

Does the government do enough for people that have been wounded in the line of fire working for the government? I mean, we've gone through this whole...

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BRADY, -

Oh, absolutely. Both Jim and I think -- are proud people, I think they've been very good to us. We -- I mean, we do get what everybody else -- actually...

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LAMB, -

Do you ever get a call from somebody in the Republican Party saying, We want to do everything we can to make it financially comfortable for you?

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BRADY, -

No, I haven't had anything like that in a long time. There was a foundation, the Brady Foundation, which was really organized -- I think the brains...

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LAMB, -

Like a military person.

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BRADY, -

Yes, it's nothing special had been set up. And the purpose of it is pretty much that if there are any special needs, like Jim has -- normally needs...

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LAMB, -

You tell a story in here, and I think it was in the '90s, where you and Jim were in a hotel room, and he got up to move and fell into the closet. And...

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BRADY, -

It was an awful experience.

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LAMB, -

What was this …

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BRADY, -

Another one of those setbacks. It was back in the mid-'90s. It's been doing beautifully. We were up there to get an award.

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LAMB, -

Where were you?

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BRADY, -

New York, in a hotel, going to get up the next morning. We'd just been to dinner. And Jim, when he walks, always edges along the side of a wall, just...

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BRADY, -

And because he's on a blood thinner, Coumadin, he bruised and bled immediately. And his face, he looked like he'd -- well, I thought he was dead, I...

00:42:5421 sec.
BRADY, -

And we got him to the emergency room, and they X-rayed and they put him through everything, CAT scans, X-rays. And he didn't hurt himself seriously...

00:43:151 sec.
LAMB, -

But then you had to go through...

00:43:1634 sec.
BRADY, -

Then what was really horrible about that, this led to the next thing that kind of happened. He had to have -- we decided rather than getting a whole...

00:43:5023 sec.
BRADY, -

And they came out and said, "Mr. Brady's gone into cardiac arrest, we're taking -- we called 911." And he went into cardiac arrest, and it was so bad...

00:44:1332 sec.
BRADY, -

But the heart had not suffered any damage, and it was -- it had not been a heart attack. It was a reaction, not an allergic reaction, but an overreaction...

00:44:4516 sec.
BRADY, -

So he was in that -- in the hospital for two weeks with that, and of course that was potentially very life-threatening situations. We had to call Scott...

00:45:013 sec.
LAMB, -

You had to call Scott into town because you didn't think he was going to live.

00:45:04
BRADY, -

Right.

00:45:046 sec.
LAMB, -

Any of that -- does he have any of that kind of a problem today? Seizures and...

00:45:103 sec.
BRADY, -

Knock on wood, no. He...

00:45:132 sec.
LAMB, -

How old is Jim Brady today?

00:45:1521 sec.
BRADY, -

Sixty-one. He is sixty-one. He did this week, actually, but I think it's an old -- do -- his podiatrist, who cuts his toenails, thought he had a blood...

00:45:3615 sec.
LAMB, -

In addition to Jim Brady and all the problems he's had for the last 20 years, and your cancer, you tell the story about Scott and his education. How...

00:45:5139 sec.
BRADY, -

Oh, my goodness. About six, I think. Scott is just the most wonderful child, right from the beginning, was. Very active, and he has attention deficit....

00:46:3032 sec.
BRADY, -

And in those days, it was very difficult. That's been a long time ago, and things have changed a lot, in that there were not -- the public schools were...

00:47:0229 sec.
BRADY, -

But, you know, I spent year after year after year trying to find the right place. It's -- he'd do fine for a while, but he wasn't in the old of everybody...

00:47:3125 sec.
BRADY, -

But what I learned from this, and what's now very prevalent, is people -- oh, there's so much more written. But there are educational specialists who...

00:47:565 sec.
BRADY, -

In fact, Scott now is building a house south of Charlottesville, he loved that area so much.

00:48:01
LAMB, -

He's how old?

00:48:011 sec.
BRADY, -

Twenty-three.

00:48:022 sec.
LAMB, -

Did he get a college degree?

00:48:0429 sec.
BRADY, -

No, but I'm hoping he'll -- and he's planning to go back. And he knew, Scott knew he was not ready when he graduated from high school to -- he -- he...

00:48:3322 sec.
BRADY, -

We're all very fast-paced, impatient people. But Scott knew himself well enough to know he wasn't ready. I didn't when I went to college, and I didn't...

00:48:552 sec.
BRADY, -

Now Scott's ready.

00:48:573 sec.
LAMB, -

The Brady Bill passed what year?

00:49:007 sec.
BRADY, -

It passed in 1993. The president signed it into law.

00:49:071 sec.
LAMB, -

Which president?

00:49:086 sec.
BRADY, -

President Clinton. And then it became -- it went into effect in '94.

00:49:143 sec.
LAMB, -

How many years did you work for handgun control?

00:49:1731 sec.
BRADY, -

Well, I started as a volunteer in 1985, went on the payroll in '89, and I'm still continuing to -- I've slowed down, but I still continue. It's now...

00:49:484 sec.
LAMB, -

After all this experience, do you still call yourself a Republican?

00:49:5217 sec.
BRADY, -

I call myself an independent, I think. I vote on issues, not always just the gun issue, I'm not a one-issue person. I -- issues are very important to...

00:50:092 sec.
LAMB, -

Where is this picture?

00:50:1117 sec.
BRADY, -

That picture was taken in the Senate swamp when we won the Senate. That's George Mitchell, Senator Biden -- Senator Dowell, it looks like, Senator Biden,...

00:50:287 sec.
LAMB, -

In the book, though, you tell us about some people you don't like too much. You call Senator Phil Gramm arrogant. Why?

00:50:3531 sec.
BRADY, -

Oh, I thought he was very arrogant. He almost had the attitude from the moment we walked in, Oh, it's very understandable that you, Sarah Brady, would...

00:51:062 sec.
LAMB, -

What would the Brady Bill do?

00:51:0829 sec.
BRADY, -

The Brady Bill stopped people from purchasing guns from dealers if they were a fugitive. It required background checks, a waiting period and background...

00:51:376 sec.
LAMB, -

You say in trying to get this passed that Dick Cheney wasn't very helpful to you, wouldn't return your phone calls.

00:51:4334 sec.
BRADY, -

No. In fact, even before that, Dick Cheney was -- and understandably from Wyoming, that's a tough state. But the plastic gun bill came up several years...

00:52:1729 sec.
BRADY, -

And, I mean, it was -- that's kind of a no-brainer. In fact, only four people in the House of Representatives voted against it, and Dick Cheney was...

00:52:465 sec.
LAMB, -

George Herbert Walker Bush, President George Bush 41, didn't support you.

00:52:514 sec.
BRADY, -

No. And who I had thought and hoped and was...

00:52:554 sec.
LAMB, -

Only president alive that didn't support you, I mean, ex-president.

00:52:595 sec.
BRADY, -

Only president alive. Ford, Nixon, Reagan...

00:53:042 sec.
LAMB, -

Carter, Clinton.

00:53:061 sec.
BRADY, -

... Carter, Clinton.

00:53:076 sec.
LAMB, -

George Bush, the president now, as governor signed in a law or -- Tell that story.

00:53:1324 sec.
BRADY, -

He in Texas supported a concealed weapon bill and signed it into law, allowing people to carry concealed weapons, literally practically everywhere,...

00:53:3717 sec.
BRADY, -

It had -- even Texas, which is really -- I mean, I -- we think of as really being gun country, and there are an awful lot of wonderful brave people...

00:53:543 sec.
LAMB, -

What's the story about when you called the NRA?

00:53:573 sec.
BRADY, -

That's...

00:54:001 sec.
LAMB, -

First time?

00:54:015 sec.
BRADY, -

First time. We had just been in Centralia, Jim and...

00:54:061 sec.
LAMB, -

Centralia, Illinois.

00:54:0730 sec.
BRADY, -

My husband's home town. Scott and me. And while we were out there, Scott was a little boy about 5. We went to go swimming with some friends, and they...

00:54:3713 sec.
BRADY, -

And I said, "Scott." And I took it from him. I said, "You don't even point a toy gun at anyone." And then I realized it was not a toy gun, it was a...

00:54:5011 sec.
BRADY, -

And so, I mean, I was just absolutely shocked that anybody would leave his loaded gun where a kid could get ahold of it.

00:55:0114 sec.
BRADY, -

So when we back -- went back to Washington, I happened to hear within the next night or two -- it was in August -- that the NRA was pushing for a bill...

00:55:1524 sec.
BRADY, -

And the piece of legislation was called McClure-Volkmer. I was …-- I was doing dishes, it was late, 7:00 at night. And I picked up the phone and called...

00:55:398 sec.
BRADY, -

And the next day I called Charlie Orrison (ph) at Handgun Control and said, "Can I help?" And then that was the beginning.

00:55:475 sec.
LAMB, -

You met Charlton Heston once? Where?

00:55:526 sec.
BRADY, -

At the convention -- at a convention for Ronald Reagan, the second convention.

00:55:581 sec.
LAMB, -

Eighty-four?

00:55:5920 sec.
BRADY, -

In '84, in one of the little holding rooms. He was going to be doing the Pledge of Allegiance, or -- And we were there just because the -- of making...

00:56:191 sec.
LAMB, -

Your reaction to him?

00:56:2034 sec.
BRADY, -

Well, I just thought he was rather funny and peculiar, and that he talked -- he didn't sit and talk like a normal person, he sort of talked like he...

00:56:543 sec.
LAMB, -

In all your work on the Brady Bill, did you ever see him again?

00:56:5736 sec.
BRADY, -

No, we ran into him out in California. Nancy Reagan had -- she had the Reagan -- Nancy Reagan Foundation, and she gave awards. And she gave one to our...

00:57:3312 sec.
BRADY, -

And only one time, when he was kind of forced into saying -- he looked down and said, "Hello, Mr. Brady," and walked off. And there was never any kind...

00:57:455 sec.
LAMB, -

The picture on the cover of the book is what year?

00:57:505 sec.
BRADY, -

Early -- probably '82 -- I mean, '92.

00:57:557 sec.
LAMB, -

We're out of time. It's called "A Good Fight." Sarah Brady is the author. Thank you very much for joining us.

00:58:0243 sec.
BRADY, -

Thank you.

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