| 00:00:00 | KATHLEEN, DEMOCRATS LINE. |
| 00:00:01 | CALLER: FIRST, C-SPAN IS A NATIONAL TREASURE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. |
| 00:00:09 | I HAVE CHANGED MY VIEWS ARE LOT ON EXTRACTING FOSSIL FUELS IN THE U. |
| 00:00:15 | S. OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF WARS, FOR INSTANCE IN IRAQ, FOR OIL, AND I AM ALSO LOOKING AT MY OWN USE OF FOSSIL FUELS, TAKING A HARD LOOK AT MY OWN PATTERNS. |
| 00:00:34 | HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IT IS TO ENFORCE EXISTING REGULATIONS IN REGARD TO EXTRACTING, AS WELL AS CREATING UNNECESSARY REGULATIONS LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THIS HYDRAULIC FRACTURING. |
| 00:00:52 | ON CNN AND ON MSNBC, THEY BOTH HEAD ECONOMIST. |
| 00:01:01 | ONE WAS MR. |
| 00:01:03 | STOCKMAN, AN ECONOMIST, AND THEY BOTH TALKED ABOUT SPECULATORS BUYING UP OIL AT THIS POINT BASED ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF -- IS REAL WILL ATTACK AROUND -- ISRAEL WILL ATTACK IRAN. |
| 00:01:22 | HOST: A LOT TO WORK WITH THERE. |
| 00:01:25 | GUEST: GOOD QUESTIONS. |
| 00:01:26 | TO ENTER THE FIRST PART, I THINK REGULATIONS TO PROTECT -- ANSWER THE FIRST PART, I THINK REGULATIONS TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT ARE IMPORTANT AND WE HAVE GOOD REGULATIONS IN PLACE. |
| 00:01:39 | WE HAVE GOOD SAFETY REGULATIONS IN THE GULF OF MEXICO FOR DEEP WATER BUILDING, -- DRILLING. |
| 00:01:51 | IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE REGULATIONS AND WE DO. |
| 00:01:56 | WHEN IT COMES TO HYDRAULIC FRACTURING UNDERGROUND, THE STATES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. |
| 00:02:04 | WE LEARN THAT OHIO'S GEOLOGY AND WATER IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER STATES. |
| 00:02:10 | SO, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE VARIOUS STATES THAT KNOW THEIR OWN LOCATION AND GEOLOGY BETTER THAN WASHINGTON DOES TO STAY IN CONTROL AND NOT IMPOSE A FEDERAL LAYER OF REGULATION ON TOP OF WHAT THE STATES ARE ALREADY DOING A GOOD JOB OF. |
| 00:02:31 | HOST: YOU HELD A FIELD HEARING. |
| 00:02:34 | WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? |
| 00:02:35 | GUEST: IT WAS TO TALK ABOUT FRA CING. |
| 00:02:47 | THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD POINTED OUT THAT WE DO NOT NEED A FEDERAL ROLE. |
| 00:02:52 | THE STATES ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. |
| 00:02:55 | IN COLORADO, IF YOU HAVE A WELL , AND YOU THINK IT MAY HAVE EFFECTED YOUR WATER, THE FRACKING, THEY COME THERE THE SAME DAY OR WITHIN 24 HOURS. |
| 00:03:13 | THEY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. |
| 00:03:15 | THEY HAVE FOUND PROBLEMS WHERE IT HAS EFFECTED GROUND WATER, BUT IF THERE IS POTENTIAL, WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. |
| 00:03:23 | HOST: MORE FACTS AND FIGURES FROM THE ENERGY ADMINISTRATION -- INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION. |
| 00:04:01 | AGAIN, THE U. |
| 00:04:06 | S. TOTAL WORLDWIDE PRODUCTION, 86. |
| 00:04:07 | 7 MILLION A DAY. |
| 00:04:09 | I HAVE LOST MY PLACE. |
| 00:04:13 | WE USE ABOUT 19 MILLION PARENT I APOLOGIZE. |
| 00:04:19 | I'VE LOST MY -- MILLION. |
| 00:04:21 | I APOLOGIZE. |
| 00:04:22 | I'VE LOST MY PLACE. |
| 00:04:24 | WE WILL GET BACK TO THIS AFTER WE GET TO MICHAEL, A DEMOCRAT IN BATON ROUGE. |
| 00:04:38 | CALLER: NO ONE IS ADDRESSING WHAT WE CAN DO NOW. |
| 00:04:43 | WHY HAS NO ONE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY WE HAVE GIVEN IN SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL COMPANIES AND THE FEDERAL TAX THAT WE PAY AT THE PUMP? |
| 00:04:52 | WHY CAN WE NOT PUT A REFERENDUM ON THEIR TO FREEZE THE FEDERAL TAX FOR FOUR, SIX MONTHS, TO BRING PRICES OF FUEL DOWN, AND THE SUBSIDIES GIVEN TO BIG OIL COMPANIES, WHY CAN THEY NOT BEEN RETURNED BECAUSE OF THE TAX MONEY GOING TO SUBSIDIES -- IN RETURN BECAUSE OF THE TAX MONEY GOING TO SUBSIDIES, BRING PRICES DOWN? |
| 00:05:18 | GUEST: A COUPLE GOOD QUESTIONS THERE. |
| 00:05:23 | THE GAS TAX COMES TO WASHINGTON AND GOES BACK OUT TO THE STATES TO FUND HIGHWAYS AND BRIDGES. |
| 00:05:29 | UNTIL WE FIND A DIFFERENT WAY OF PAYING FOR THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LEGITIMATE USE OF THOSE TAX DOLLARS. |
| 00:05:37 | IT IS LIKE A USER FEE. |
| 00:05:39 | I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE GAS TAX. |
| 00:05:43 | IF WE CUT IT OUT COMPLETELY, WE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE FUNDING HIGHWAYS AND BRIDGES. |
| 00:05:50 | OIL COMPANIES MAKE A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF VOLUME, BUT ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS, THEY DO NOT MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS SOME COMPANIES DO THAT ARE MUCH MORE PROFITABLE ON A PER DOLLAR BASIS. |
| 00:06:06 | THEY TAKE TONS OF TAXES. |
| 00:06:08 | THEY PAID A LOT MORE THAN THEY MAKING PROFITS. |
| 00:06:11 | THE BIG WINNER WHEN IT COMES TO OIL COMPANIES ALREADY IS THE GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL. |
| 00:06:21 | I DO NOT THINK THEY'RE GETTING TAX TREATMENT THAT ANYONE ELSE IS NOT GETTING. |
| 00:06:27 | SOME PEOPLE SAY LET'S SIGNAL THEM OUT AND GIVE THEM STRICT TREATMENT. |
| 00:06:32 | I AM NOT SURE THAT IS THE AMERICAN WAY. |
| 00:06:35 | I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY. |
| 00:06:37 | IF THEY ARE GETTING A MANUFACTURER'S TAX BREAK, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. |
| 00:06:54 | HOST: THIS DATA FROM 2010 -- U. |
| 00:06:59 | S. PETROLEUM PRODUCTION, 7. |
| 00:07:02 | 5 MILLION BARRELS A DAY, AND THAT INCLUDES CRUDE OIL, NATURAL GAS AND OTHER OILS. |
| 00:07:08 | OF THAT 7. |
| 00:07:10 | 5 MILLION, 5. |
| 00:07:11 | 5 MILLION PER DAY IS WHAT THE U. |
| 00:07:13 | S. PRODUCED IN 2010, AND OUR IMPORTS ARE 9. |
| 00:07:20 | 1 MILLION BARRELS A DAY. |
| 00:07:21 | THE FEDERAL GASOLINE TAX, 18. |
| 00:07:25 | 4 CENTS PER GALLON. |
| 00:07:27 | NEW JERSEY. |
| 00:07:31 | TOM, YOU ARE ON WITH CONGRESSMAN DOUG LAMBORN. |
| 00:07:34 | CALLER: I AM A FRUSTRATED TAXPAYER, SICK AND TIRED OF BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE. |
| 00:07:46 | I CAME UP WITH A POTENTIAL SOLUTION I NEVER HEARD DISCUSSED. |
| 00:07:52 | WHEN WE GIVE LEASES TO PETROLEUM COMPANIES TO LEASE FEDERAL PROPERTY, TAXPAYER PROPERTY, WHY IS IT WE DO NOT REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PETROLEUM PULLED OUT OF TAXPAYER PROPERTY TO STAY IN THIS COUNTRY AND BE USED DOMESTICALLY? |
| 00:08:12 | JUST A PERCENTAGE, SO WE DO NOT HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS AND VETERANS ON FIXED INCOMES NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY PRESCRIPTIONS OR FOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT FILLING THEIR TANKS BECAUSE OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT DOING THE JOB THEY'RE SENT TO DO? |
| 00:08:34 | GUEST: THE MORE YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT MANDATES, YOU WILL HAVE DISTORTIONS, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. |
| 00:08:40 | IT IS EXPENSIVE TO SHIP OIL OR GAS. |
| 00:08:45 | MOST OF IT WILL STAY HERE ALREADY. |
| 00:08:48 | WE DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A LAW TO REQUIRE THAT. |
| 00:08:51 | IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS. |
| 00:08:53 | IF IT IS CHEAPER TO SELL LOCALLY, YOU WILL NOT SEND IT OVERSEAS. |
| 00:08:58 | I THINK THE MARKET CAN TAKE CARE OF ITSELF WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. |
| 00:09:04 | HOST: COLUMBUS, NEB. |
| 00:09:08 | . PAM, A DEMOCRAT. |
| 00:09:09 | CALLER: THANK YOU, C-SPAN. |
| 00:09:14 | I AM TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE. |
| 00:09:19 | I LIVED IN NEBRASKA. |
| 00:09:21 | A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, -- I LIVE IN NEBRASKA. |
| 00:09:26 | A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SOME MAN TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THE EFFECTS ON THEIR LAND. |
| 00:09:41 | THE OIL COMPANIES WANT TO MAKE MONEY, BUT THEY DO NOT THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THEIR PRIVATE LAND. |
| 00:09:52 | THE OIL IS GOING TO GO TO CHINA AND INDIA ANYWAY. |
| 00:09:57 | HOST: WE GOT THE POINT. |
| 00:09:58 | THANK YOU. |
| 00:10:01 | GUEST: PAM IF THAT OIL GOES DOWN TO OKLAHOMA, LOUISIANA, MOST OF IT WILL STAY IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF BASIC ECONOMICS. |
| 00:10:12 | IT IS CHEAPER TO USE IT LOCALLY. |
| 00:10:14 | IF WE DO NOT BUILD A KEYSTONE PIPELINE, WE DO NOT JUST LOSE THE 20,000 JOBS THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE CREATED PUTTING IN THE PIPELINE, BUT THAT OIL IS GOING TO BE SOLD TO SOMEBODY, AND THEN IT DOES GO TO CHINA AND IS SENT ACROSS THE OCEAN INSTEAD OF IN A PIPELINE DOWN TO OUR REFINERIES IN THE U. |
| 00:10:38 | S.. SENDING IT ACROSS THE OCEAN, A TANKER-BY-TANKER HAS A LARGER CARBON EMISSIONS HENPECKED. |
| 00:10:51 | HOST: -- IMPACT. |
| 00:10:53 | HOST: THIS TWEET -- GUEST: NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. |
| 00:11:04 | ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED IN OUR FIELD HEARING IN OHIO -- GROUNDWATER IN OHIO IS IN THE TENS OR HUNDREDS OF FEET BELOW THE SURFACE. |
| 00:11:17 | NATURAL GAS IS 1 MILE TO 1 MILE AND HALF IS BELOW THE SURFACE. |
| 00:11:23 | THERE IS A MILE OF SOLID ROCK BETWEEN THE GROUND WATER NEAR THE TOP AND THE NATURAL GAS WAY DOWN HERE. |
| 00:11:31 | THERE IS 1 MILE OF ROCKS IN BETWEEN. |
| 00:11:35 | HOW COULD GUESS IT FROM HERE TO HERE? |
| 00:11:39 | YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE REGULATIONS ARE IN PLACE SO YOU DOUBLE AND TRIPLE-WALL ANY PIPE WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE GROUND WATER, AND YOU MAKE THEM PUT IN CEMENT AND SEAL IT OFF, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE REGULATIONS. |
| 00:11:59 | IF THAT IS DONE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE EARTHQUAKES, RADIOACTIVITY, AND THINGS IN THE GROUND WATER. |
| 00:12:06 | HOST: ANOTHER JIM TWEETS, WHAT IS THE TIME LINE BETWEEN PERMITTING AND PUMPING IT? |
| 00:12:17 | GUEST: IT COULD BE YEARS AND YEARS. |
| 00:12:21 | YOU HAVE TO PUT IN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS, SOMETIMES YET TO GET YOUR PLANNED -- PLAN APPROVED -- THERE ARE MANY WAYS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN SLOW THINGS DOWN IN THIS PROCESS, AND IT CAN TAKE YEARS AND YEARS. |
| 00:12:37 | IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION. |
| 00:12:41 | OBVIOUSLY, DEEP WATER IS MORE INTENSE IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING, BUT IT TAKES YEARS AND YEARS. |
| 00:12:51 | HOST: THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS COMING INTO SESSION IN ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MINUTES. |
| 00:12:58 | BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. |
| 00:12:59 | REPUBLICAN LINE. |
| 00:13:00 | CALLER: MIGHT CONCERN IS THE -- MY CONCERN IS THE QUESTION WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS ARE WE SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER? |
| 00:13:15 | MARTHA STEWART WENT TO PRISON FOR INSIDE TRADING. |
| 00:13:24 | WHY ARE SPECULATORS -- [UNINTELLIGIBLE] |
| 00:13:28 | HOST: I THINK WE GOT THE POINT ABOUT OIL SPECULATION. |
| 00:13:33 | WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TWEETS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. |
| 00:13:40 | OUR OIL SPECULATOR IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE COST? |
| 00:13:45 | GUEST: PETER, I'VE NOT SEEN HARD EVIDENCE THAT BUYING FUTURES OR HEDGING YOUR BETS HAS A BIG EFFECT ON GASOLINE PRICES. |
| 00:13:56 | TENSIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THAT COULD DRIVE PRICES, BUT PEOPLE BUYING AND SELLING FUTURES IN GASOLINE OR OIL -- I'VE NOT SEEN HARD EVIDENCE. |
| 00:14:08 | I'M STILL SKEPTICAL. HOST: ANOTHER CALL FROM COLORADO SPRINGS, MR. |
| 00:14:13 | LAMBORN'S DISTRICT. |
| 00:14:15 | INDEPENDENT MIND, YOU ARE ON THE AIR. |
| 00:14:20 | YOU HAVE TO -- LINE. |
| 00:14:21 | YOU ARE ON THE AIR. |
| 00:14:23 | YOU HAVE TO TURN DOWN YOUR TELEVISION. |
| 00:14:25 | YOU KNOW WHAT? |
| 00:14:26 | WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON TO MICHIGAN. |
| 00:14:30 | JOHN, REPUBLICAN. |
| 00:14:33 | GO AHEAD. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT AGAIN. |
| 00:14:36 | I HAD A CRACK IN LINE -- CRACKLING LINE THE FIRST TIME. |
| 00:14:44 | I WAS ON A SPEAKERPHONE. |
| 00:14:47 | I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON A PREVIOUS CALLER. |
| 00:14:51 | IN ALASKA, THEY TAKE SOME OF THE OIL PROFITS AND GIVE IT BACK TO PEOPLE IN ALASKA. |
| 00:14:56 | I'M THINKING IF WE ARE USING FEDERAL LANDS FOR OIL, WHY DO WE NOT TAKE THOSE PROFITS AND USE IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE CAN LOWER THE TAX ON GAS PRICES? |
| 00:15:07 | BACK IN THE 1970'S, WHEN GAS PRICES STARTED TO RISE, EVERYONE SAID IT WOULD TAKE 10 OR 15 YEARS FOR US TO GET OIL PRODUCTION UP, SO THEY FORGOT ABOUT IT. |
| 00:15:22 | WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION. |
| 00:15:24 | MAYBE IN 10 YEARS, WE WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE. |
| 00:15:28 | I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. |
| 00:15:31 | HOST: ALASKA DOES HAVE A PERMANENT FUND AS A STATE, BUT WE HAVE A DEBT. |
| 00:15:38 | STATES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO DEBT. |
| 00:15:39 | WE HAVE A DEBT AS A NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. |
| 00:15:42 | MAYBE WE COULD USE THAT MONEY AND PAY DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT. |
| 00:15:46 | THAT WOULD MAKE THE ECONOMY BETTER AND GIVE US MORE JOBS AND A BETTER FUTURE. |
| 00:15:51 | I LIKE THAT IDEA. |
| 00:15:52 | JOHN, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. |
| 00:15:56 | PETER, IF I COULD ADDRESS SOMETHING BROUGHT EARLIER, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT EXPORTING OIL OR GAS FROM THE KEYSTONE -- THE U. |
| 00:16:08 | S. PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER UNDER LAW TO PREVENT EXPORTS OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS IS THAT IS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST, SO THERE WILL NOT BE EXPORTS AS THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK. |
| 00:16:23 | THAT IS AN ISSUE WE COULD PUT TO BED. |
| 00:16:26 | BARACK OBAMA HAS THE POWER TO STOP THAT TOMORROW IF IT HURTS OUR NATIONAL INTEREST. |
| 00:16:32 | HOST: BODY IS A DEMOCRAT IN ELBERTVILLE, ALABAMA. |
| 00:16:46 | CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE REPRESENTATIVE THE SAME THING SENATOR WILSON TOLD OBAMA IN CONGRESS, YOU LIE. |
| 00:17:01 | IN THE HEARINGS, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE, AND THE ANSWER WAS THEY HAD ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH EXXON MOBIL. |
| 00:17:16 | THAT WAS IN THE HEARINGS. |
| 00:17:19 | I'M 77 YEARS OLD. THE WAY THE ALASKAN PIPELINE WAS SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WAS IT WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS, IT WILL BE RUN INTO MONTANA, AND THAT WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. |
| 00:17:35 | WHAT DID THEY DO? |
| 00:17:36 | CUT IT OFF IN SEATTLE. |
| 00:17:38 | IT IS ALL EXPORTED. |
| 00:17:41 | HOST: CONGRESSMAN LAMBORN? |
| 00:17:46 | GUEST: THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE, IF ANY OF IT IS EXPORTED, THE PRESIDENT CAN STEP IN TOMORROW AND SAY NO MORE BECAUSE IT VIOLATES NATIONAL SECURITY. |
| 00:17:57 | THE PRESIDENT HAS THE RIGHT UNDER CURRENT LAW TO STOP ANY OIL OR GAS EXPORTS. |
| 00:18:03 | I COULD SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THERE ARE BLENDS THAT ARE HARD TO MAKE THAT OTHER COUNTRIES CANNOT DO, AND OUR REFINERS MIGHT WANT TO SEND THAT TO ANOTHER COUNTRY BECAUSE IT IS HIGHLY PROFITABLE. |
| 00:18:17 | AS LONG AS ALL LOT OF IT STAYS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I KNOW IT WILL BECAUSE OF BASIC ECONOMICS. |
| 00:18:24 | IT IS CHEAPER TO USE IT LOCALLY. |
| 00:18:28 | THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE WILL HELP PRICES AND SUPPLY IN THIS COUNTRY. |
| 00:18:34 | BILL CLINTON CAME OUT YESTERDAY, AND HE SAID HE APPROVES OF THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE. |
| 00:18:41 | BARACK OBAMA APPROVES HOST: DOUG LAMBORN HAS BEEN OUR GUEST. |
| 00:18:51 | HE'S THE CHAIR OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY & MINERAL RESOURCES. |
| 00:18:56 | THANK YOU FOR BEING ON "WASHINGTON JOURNAL. |
| 00:19:02 | " THE HOUSE IS IN SESSION. |
| 00:19:04 | WE'RE ENDING AT 9:00 EASTERN TIME. |
| 00:19:07 | THERE WILL BE DEBATING A FEW THINGS. |
| 00:19:09 | THE SENATE WILL BE HOLDING THEIR VOTE ON THE SO-CALLED BLUNT AMENDMENT. |
| 00:19:17 | THAT WILL BE IN THE SENATE AND THAT VOTE WILL TAKE PLACE AT 11:00 A. |
| 00:19:23 | M. AND YOU CAN WATCH THAT ON C-SPAN2. |
| 00:19:28 | [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] |
| 00:19:32 | [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT NATIONAL CABLE SATELLITE CORP. |
| 00:19:34 | 2012] |
| 00:19:36 | GUEST: WE WILL BE WORKING ON SOME SUSPENSIONS. |
| 00:19:42 | HOST: DO YOU FORESEE ANY ENERGY BILLS GETTING THROUGH CONGRESS? |
| 00:19:49 | WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT 34-08. |
| 00:19:57 | >> CERTAINLY NOT THIS WEEK BUT HOPEFULLY SOON. |
| 00:20:05 | THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. |
| 00:20:07 | THE CHAIR LAYS BEFORE THE HOUSE A COMMUNICATION FROM THE SPEAKER. |
| 00:20:11 | THE |
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