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| 00:00:03 | GOOD MORNING. CALLER: A HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU, SENATOR FINE GOLD, AND I HOPE YOU RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN. |
| 00:00:14 | -- ITSENATOR FEINGOLD. |
| 00:00:17 | THE GENERAL WAS RECENTLY ON ZAKARIA ON CNN. |
| 00:00:28 | HE WAS A RATIONAL AND HAD A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF FOREIGN POLICY AND HE SAID THE IRANIAN REGIME WAS AN ACTOR. |
| 00:00:36 | HE SAID A STRIKE AT THIS TIME WOULD BE, IN HIS WORDS, "DESTABALIZING. |
| 00:00:46 | " IRAN HAS NEVER THREATENED THE U. |
| 00:00:50 | S. AND COMMENTS FROM AHMADINEJAD HAVE BEEN MISREPRESENTED BY THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO THAT IS INTO IRAQ. |
| 00:00:57 | I BELIEVE YOU VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQI WAR REVOLUTION AND YOU WERE ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY -- COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME. |
| 00:01:05 | GUEST: I WAS NOT, BUT I VOTED AGAINST IT. |
| 00:01:10 | CALLER: SENATOR DURBIN WAS AND VOTED AGAINST IT. |
| 00:01:17 | DO THINK THOSE OPERATING OUT OF THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS IN THE PENTAGON, THOSE WHO CREATED AND DISSEMINATED FALSE INTELLIGENCE, SHOULD THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE? |
| 00:01:30 | ON C-SPAN, THEY HAVE OFTEN HAD THE FORMER HEAD OF THE CIA, MICHAEL SHEARER, ON AND HE'S IN THE THREE ISSUES ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE ANGRY WITH THE U. |
| 00:01:45 | S. IS OUR SUPPORT FOR DICTATORS IN THE REGION, THE U. |
| 00:01:49 | S. SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL MATTER WHAT THEY DO -- NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, AND ALSO OUR MILITARY BASES TO ACCESS THE OIL IN THAT REGION. |
| 00:02:03 | IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE CORE REASONS OF PEOPLE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD ARE SO ANGRY ABOUT WITH THE U. |
| 00:02:12 | S., AS MICHAEL SHEARER HAS TALKED ABOUT. |
| 00:02:16 | GUEST: ONE OF THE STORIES I TELL IN MY BOOK HAS TO DO WITH, FRANKLY, MY FIRST EXPERIENCES MEETING WITH A LARGE GROUP OF ISLAMIC AMERICANS AND FOREIGN STUDENTS IN MADISON, WISCONSIN, DID YOU DAYS AFTER 9/11. |
| 00:02:32 | THEY HAD AN OPEN HOUSE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE. |
| 00:02:34 | THEY HAD A WONDERFUL RECEPTION AND HAD A GREAT TIME TALKING. |
| 00:02:38 | I ASKED THE QUESTION THE BASICALLY ASKED, WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE THE DEALINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST WAR. |
| 00:02:45 | THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, AND PART OF THE IRAQ WAR, NO-FLY POLICIES COME HUMANITARIAN ISSUES AT THE TIME. |
| 00:02:55 | THE OVERWHELMING CRITICISM WAS THAT WE SUPPORTED DICTATORS AND DESPOTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AS YOU SAID. |
| 00:03:02 | THAT IS THE BIG ONE. |
| 00:03:04 | WE HAVE THESE VALUES OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, AND YET WE SUPPORT PEOPLE LIKE BEN ALI IN TUNISIA, MUBARAK IN EGYPT, YEMEN, AND EVEN ON OCCASION WORKING WITH SADDAM HUSSAIN WHEN IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR US. |
| 00:03:23 | THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SAY. |
| 00:03:25 | IT GALLED THEM THAT THIS IS WHAT WE CLAIM THAT WE CARED ABOUT IT WE PICKED SOME DIED LIKE MUSHARRAF AND WENT WITH HIM INSTEAD OF MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH THE PEOPLE. |
| 00:03:39 | THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FLAW. |
| 00:03:41 | I KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SAY. |
| 00:03:42 | YOU DO NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. |
| 00:03:46 | -- DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. |
| 00:03:49 | WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK WITH THE ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY AND NOT JUST PICK SOME STRONGMAN THAT WILL REPRESS PEOPLE AND CAUSE THEM TO HIT US MUCH LONGER. |
| 00:04:00 | THE ROOT OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH IRAN HAVE TO DO WITH THE RELATIONSHIP WE MADE IN THIS REGARD IN THE EARLY 1950'S. |
| 00:04:08 | IT HAD FINALLY GOTTEN A FREE LEAVE CHOSEN PRIME MINISTER. |
| 00:04:12 | WITH THE CIA AND OTHERS, WE TOOK HIM OUT OF POWER. |
| 00:04:16 | THIS WAS A GREAT FRUSTRATION FOR THE IRANIAN PEOPLE THAT LED TO THE DOMINANCE OF THE SHAH OF IRAN. |
| 00:04:25 | THIS IS THE KIND OF MISTAKE WE HAVE MADE. |
| 00:04:32 | HOST: BACK TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE, LAST FRIDAY IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," IF THE HEAD OF THE PROGRESSIVE POLICY INSTITUTE AND FORMER FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HAD AN OP-ED. |
| 00:04:48 | HERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN. |
| 00:05:31 | GUEST: HE COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. |
| 00:05:34 | WE SAW HIS COMMENTS IN "THE N. |
| 00:05:37 | Y. TIMES. |
| 00:05:41 | " MY DIRECTOR RESPONDED. |
| 00:05:43 | IT IS LIKE SAYING THERE'S ONE SERIES OF ORGANIZED CRIME'S ALLEGED OPEN UP ANOTHER TO BALANCE IT. |
| 00:05:48 | WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT THIS SYSTEM OF SOFT MONEY DID BEFORE MCCAIN-FEINGOLD. |
| 00:05:56 | AS I WRITE IN MY BOOK, WE TALK ABOUT THE BAD THE BEEN ACTUALLY HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THESE CORRUPT CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE WHILE VOTING ON IT. |
| 00:06:06 | THE IDEA THAT THIS GENTLEMAN THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO BACK TO UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PARTY, THAT IS A COMPLETE DEFEATIST ATTITUDE. |
| 00:06:17 | WHAT HE IS FORGETTING IS THAT THINGS ARE MUCH BETTER IN THE 2008 ELECTION WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE THESE HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE CITIZENS UNITED HAD NOT YET OCCURRED AND WE HAD BANNED SOFT MONEY TO THE PARTY. |
| 00:06:29 | WHAT HAPPENED? PEOPLE WANT MORE DEMOCRATIC -- WENT THE MORE DEMOCRATIC ROUTE. |
| 00:06:39 | PEOPLE WHO FELT THAT THEY COULD NOT BE PART OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS WENT BACK TO GIVING $10, $20. |
| 00:06:46 | CORPORATE AMERICA SAW THAT AND THEY WERE WORRIED. |
| 00:06:49 | THIS SAW THE FACE OF DEMOCRACY AND THEY WERE TERRIFIED. |
| 00:06:53 | WHAT DID THEY DO? |
| 00:06:54 | THE ENGINEERED A DECISION LIKE CITIZENS UNITED. |
| 00:06:57 | THEY SAID WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET THE DECISION OVERTURNED, SO LET'S GET RID OF THAT. |
| 00:07:06 | IT'S THE MOST DEFEATIST APPROACH I COULD THINK OF. |
| 00:07:08 | HOST: TWEETING THIS QUESTION -- GUEST: OF THAT'S WHAT I DO EVERY DAY. |
| 00:07:21 | IT IS WHAT PROGRESSIVES UNITED IS ALL ABOUT. |
| 00:07:25 | I POUNDED IT WITH SOME PEOPLE I HAVE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST RIDE AROUND THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITIZENS UNITED DECISION. |
| 00:07:31 | YOU CAN GO TO CITIZENSUNITED. |
| 00:07:36 | ORG AND BE PART OF A GROUP THAT IS WORKING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF CITIZENS UNITED AND ALSO TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION, SUCH AS THE DISCLOSURE ACT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHERE CONTRIBUTIONS ARE COMING FROM, GET RID OF THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION WHICH IS A JOKE, BUT ALSO TO CALL UP THE CANDIDATES, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN OR ANYONE ELSE, IF THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN CORPORATE MONEY IN THIS GAME TO THE UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS. |
| 00:08:04 | THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT, I BELIEVE, IS DEVASTATING FOR THOSE WHO ARE PROGRESSIVES. |
| 00:08:11 | WE BELIEVE MONEY SHOULD NOT CONTROL POLICY, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD. |
| 00:08:16 | WE WORKED EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND I THINK WITH GREAT SUCCESS, TO HIGHLIGHT EVERYTHING FROM THE SUPER COMMITTEE, WHICH WE WERE WORRIED WOULD GIVE AWAY THE STORE AND CREATE A BAD BUDGET, TO COMMANDING THAT THERE BE A REAL INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED ON WALL STREET AND THE PRESIDENT TOOK STEPS IN THAT REGARD AFTER WE RAISED THE ISSUE. |
| 00:08:36 | WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO JOIN US BECAUSE WE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THIS, BUT WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER GROUPS LIKE DEMOCRACY FOR AMERICA OF AND MOVEON. |
| 00:08:50 | ORG INSTEAD OF JUST SHRUGGING OUR SHOULDERS AND SAYING THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS TO BE. |
| 00:08:57 | HOST: ANOTHER CALL FROM WISCONSIN FOR YOU. |
| 00:09:04 | AN INDEPENDENT. CALLER: HELLO, SENATOR. |
| 00:09:05 | I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU GIVE YOUR TAKE ON EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON IN OUR STATE RIGHT NOW. |
| 00:09:14 | I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU COVERED THAT ALREADY, BUT I GOT A LATE START IN WATCHING THIS. |
| 00:09:20 | GUEST: WE HAVE NOT. |
| 00:09:22 | HE IS CALLING FROM THE GRANITE CAPITAL IN THE WORLD. |
| 00:09:26 | OUR STATE HAS BEEN THROWN INTO A HORRIBLE SITUATION. |
| 00:09:31 | GOV. |
| 00:09:32 | WALKER GOT ELECTED. |
| 00:09:34 | HE WON THE ELECTION AND IT WAS ONE WHERE ALL THE DEMOCRATS LOST AND HE GOT INTO OFFICE. |
| 00:09:40 | BUT FOR HIM. THE PROBLEM IS HE DECIDED TO ATTACK OUR STATE. |
| 00:09:44 | HE DID NOT WANT TO WORK WITH THE OTHER SIDE AND WORK WITH THE PEOPLE. |
| 00:09:48 | HE WANTED TO ATTACK THE PUBLIC BARGAINING RIGHTS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. |
| 00:09:54 | WEAVER THE FIRST-AID IN THE COUNTRY TO HAVE THESE LAWS. |
| 00:09:58 | -- WE WERE THE FIRST EVER IN THE COUNTRY TO HAVE THESE LAWS. |
| 00:10:01 | IT IS A BASIC RIGHT. |
| 00:10:04 | HE USED EVERY BRUTAL TACTICS, EVERY UNFAIR APPROACH. |
| 00:10:08 | I SERVED IN THE WISCONSIN STATE SENATE FOR 10 YEARS AND HE BROKE EVERY TRADITION AND HE HAD A DESIRE TO DESTROY THIS LOT. |
| 00:10:17 | HE HAS SUCCEEDED FOR NOW. |
| 00:10:19 | I WAS OVER 1 MILLION PEOPLE TO SIGN THE PETITION TO RECALL THIS GOVERNOR. |
| 00:10:24 | WE DO HAVE A RECALL LAW, SO WHAT IS IT FOR? |
| 00:10:28 | IT IS FOR A SITUATION FOR WHEN A GOVERNOR HAS WAGED WAR ON THE WORKING PEOPLE OF THE STATE IN A WAY THAT NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT HAS DIVIDED FAMILIES AND FRIENDS, BUT A STATE THAT IT USUALLY VERY GENTEEL AND COOPERATIVE, COMMUNITY-ORIENTED, AND HE HAS TURNED IT INTO A WAR ZONE. |
| 00:10:47 | WE NEED TO REVERSE THAT. |
| 00:10:50 | I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF REPLACING THAT PROBABLY AS SOON AS EARLY JUNE. |
| 00:10:55 | HOST: OUR LAST CALL VIEW IS FROM KANSAS. |
| 00:10:59 | A REPUBLICAN. |
| 00:11:01 | CALLER: GOOD MORNING. |
| 00:11:03 | HOW ARE YOU TODAY? |
| 00:11:05 | GUEST: FINE, THANKS. |
| 00:11:08 | CALLER: I JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED "THE WORLD AMERICAN MADE. |
| 00:11:13 | " ONE OF THE POINTS HE MAKES IS THAT AMERICANS, WE HAVE AN INVOLVEMENT ALL AROUND THE WORLD. |
| 00:11:22 | WE ARE A SUPERPOWER. THE AMERICAN INSTINCT IS TWO FOLD. |
| 00:11:25 | ON ONE HAND, WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING AND AS SOON AS THE GET THERE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT. |
| 00:11:34 | THE INSTINCT, I THINK, AS PART OF THE HUMANITARIAN FEEL. |
| 00:11:39 | WE WERE WATCHING THE NEWS OUT OF SYRIA. |
| 00:11:44 | WE ARE TOLD THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A HEART. |
| 00:11:47 | IT WAS TRAGIC TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN SYRIA. |
| 00:11:51 | WE WERE TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND WHEN WE SAY SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING, IT HAS TO BE HOUSE THAT DOES IT. |
| 00:12:01 | AND WE WERE WATCHING THE NEWS IN AFGHANISTAN, THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS RIOTING, THE TWO AMERICAN SOLDIERS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER THE BURNING OF THE QORAN, AND WE THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. |
| 00:12:16 | WE WANT TO BE ENGAGED IN THESE THINGS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR THE EXIT. |
| 00:12:22 | HOW DO WE GET OUR ARMS AROUND ALL OF THAT AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND SEE THE JOB THROUGH? |
| 00:12:29 | GUEST: THIS IS ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IN MY BOOK, WHILE AMERICA SLEEPS, TALKING ABOUT IN FOR A PENNY COME IN FOR POUND. |
| 00:12:41 | ONCE WE GO INTO A SITUATION, WE HAVE THE ATTITUDE THAT WE HAVE TO STAY THERE FOREVER. |
| 00:12:45 | GETTING THE JOB DONE IS A MEANINGLESS TERM. |
| 00:12:48 | WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? |
| 00:12:50 | WE RESOLVE THE DIFFERENCES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? |
| 00:12:53 | THAT'S ABSURD AND WILL NOT HAPPEN. |
| 00:12:55 | OUR PURPOSE GOING IN WAS TO GET OSAMA BIN LADEN. |
| 00:13:01 | , GOT HIM IN PAKISTAN. |
| 00:13:03 | WHAT ARE WE STILL THERE? |
| 00:13:05 | IT'S CRAZY. |
| 00:13:07 | IT IS NOT MAKING ANY SENSE AND IT IS SAPPING OUR ECONOMY. |
| 00:13:13 | PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOWED GREAT WISDOM IN REGARDS TO LIBYA. |
| 00:13:17 | HE DID NOT HAVE TO SEND IN BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE THREE YEARS AND YEARS BECAUSE OF THE ARGUMENT THAT ONCE YOU ARE THERE YOU CANNOT LEAVE UNTIL IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF. |
| 00:13:28 | HE VERY WISELY ENGAGED THE COMMUNITY. |
| 00:13:30 | WE DID THINGS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO KEEP THE TIPPING POINT FROM GOING AGAINST GADDAFI. |
| 00:13:34 | WE GOT RID OF THE GUY. |
| 00:13:37 | THAT SHOWS THE WISDOM. |
| 00:13:39 | THAT SHOWS A PRESIDENT THAT GETS IT INSTEAD OF THE CRAZY IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO INVADE ONE COUNTRY AT A TIME AND STAY THERE LIKE WE'RE PLAYING A GAME OF RISK A SET OF HAVING A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. |
| 00:13:52 | HOST: RUSS FEINGOLD'S NEW BOOK, "WHILE AMERICA SLEEPS. |
| 00:13:58 | " THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SPEAK TO C-SPAN THIS MORNING. |
| 00:14:03 | WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH OUR FRIDAY AMERICA BY THE NUMBERS SEGMENT LOOKING AT COLLEGE GRADUATION RATES. |
| 00:14:11 | MORE WHEN WE COME BACK. |
| 00:14:51 | >> BUI GOT STARTED BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE THINK |
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