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| 00:00:03 | GOOD MORNING. CALLER: A HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU, SENATOR FINE GOLD, AND I HOPE YOU RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN. |
| 00:00:14 | -- ITSENATOR FEINGOLD. |
| 00:00:17 | THE GENERAL WAS RECENTLY ON ZAKARIA ON CNN. |
| 00:00:28 | HE WAS A RATIONAL AND HAD A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF FOREIGN POLICY AND HE SAID THE IRANIAN REGIME WAS AN ACTOR. |
| 00:00:36 | HE SAID A STRIKE AT THIS TIME WOULD BE, IN HIS WORDS, "DESTABALIZING. |
| 00:00:46 | " IRAN HAS NEVER THREATENED THE U. |
| 00:00:50 | S. AND COMMENTS FROM AHMADINEJAD HAVE BEEN MISREPRESENTED BY THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO THAT IS INTO IRAQ. |
| 00:00:57 | I BELIEVE YOU VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQI WAR REVOLUTION AND YOU WERE ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY -- COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME. |
| 00:01:05 | GUEST: I WAS NOT, BUT I VOTED AGAINST IT. |
| 00:01:10 | CALLER: SENATOR DURBIN WAS AND VOTED AGAINST IT. |
| 00:01:17 | DO THINK THOSE OPERATING OUT OF THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS IN THE PENTAGON, THOSE WHO CREATED AND DISSEMINATED FALSE INTELLIGENCE, SHOULD THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE? |
| 00:01:30 | ON C-SPAN, THEY HAVE OFTEN HAD THE FORMER HEAD OF THE CIA, MICHAEL SHEARER, ON AND HE'S IN THE THREE ISSUES ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE ANGRY WITH THE U. |
| 00:01:45 | S. IS OUR SUPPORT FOR DICTATORS IN THE REGION, THE U. |
| 00:01:49 | S. SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL MATTER WHAT THEY DO -- NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, AND ALSO OUR MILITARY BASES TO ACCESS THE OIL IN THAT REGION. |
| 00:02:03 | IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE CORE REASONS OF PEOPLE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD ARE SO ANGRY ABOUT WITH THE U. |
| 00:02:12 | S., AS MICHAEL SHEARER HAS TALKED ABOUT. |
| 00:02:16 | GUEST: ONE OF THE STORIES I TELL IN MY BOOK HAS TO DO WITH, FRANKLY, MY FIRST EXPERIENCES MEETING WITH A LARGE GROUP OF ISLAMIC AMERICANS AND FOREIGN STUDENTS IN MADISON, WISCONSIN, DID YOU DAYS AFTER 9/11. |
| 00:02:32 | THEY HAD AN OPEN HOUSE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE. |
| 00:02:34 | THEY HAD A WONDERFUL RECEPTION AND HAD A GREAT TIME TALKING. |
| 00:02:38 | I ASKED THE QUESTION THE BASICALLY ASKED, WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE THE DEALINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST WAR. |
| 00:02:45 | THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, AND PART OF THE IRAQ WAR, NO-FLY POLICIES COME HUMANITARIAN ISSUES AT THE TIME. |
| 00:02:55 | THE OVERWHELMING CRITICISM WAS THAT WE SUPPORTED DICTATORS AND DESPOTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AS YOU SAID. |
| 00:03:02 | THAT IS THE BIG ONE. |
| 00:03:04 | WE HAVE THESE VALUES OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, AND YET WE SUPPORT PEOPLE LIKE BEN ALI IN TUNISIA, MUBARAK IN EGYPT, YEMEN, AND EVEN ON OCCASION WORKING WITH SADDAM HUSSAIN WHEN IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR US. |
| 00:03:23 | THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SAY. |
| 00:03:25 | IT GALLED THEM THAT THIS IS WHAT WE CLAIM THAT WE CARED ABOUT IT WE PICKED SOME DIED LIKE MUSHARRAF AND WENT WITH HIM INSTEAD OF MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH THE PEOPLE. |
| 00:03:39 | THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FLAW. |
| 00:03:41 | I KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SAY. |
| 00:03:42 | YOU DO NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. |
| 00:03:46 | -- DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. |
| 00:03:49 | WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK WITH THE ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY AND NOT JUST PICK SOME STRONGMAN THAT WILL REPRESS PEOPLE AND CAUSE THEM TO HIT US MUCH LONGER. |
| 00:04:00 | THE ROOT OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH IRAN HAVE TO DO WITH THE RELATIONSHIP WE MADE IN THIS REGARD IN THE EARLY 1950'S. |
| 00:04:08 | IT HAD FINALLY GOTTEN A FREE LEAVE CHOSEN PRIME MINISTER. |
| 00:04:12 | WITH THE CIA AND OTHERS, WE TOOK HIM OUT OF POWER. |
| 00:04:16 | THIS WAS A GREAT FRUSTRATION FOR THE IRANIAN PEOPLE THAT LED TO THE DOMINANCE OF THE SHAH OF IRAN. |
| 00:04:25 | THIS IS THE KIND OF MISTAKE WE HAVE MADE. |
| 00:04:32 | HOST: BACK TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE, LAST FRIDAY IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," IF THE HEAD OF THE PROGRESSIVE POLICY INSTITUTE AND FORMER FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HAD AN OP-ED. |
| 00:04:48 | HERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN. |
| 00:05:31 | GUEST: HE COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. |
| 00:05:34 | WE SAW HIS COMMENTS IN "THE N. |
| 00:05:37 | Y. TIMES. |
| 00:05:41 | " MY DIRECTOR RESPONDED. |
| 00:05:43 | IT IS LIKE SAYING THERE'S ONE SERIES OF ORGANIZED CRIME'S ALLEGED OPEN UP ANOTHER TO BALANCE IT. |
| 00:05:48 | WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT THIS SYSTEM OF SOFT MONEY DID BEFORE MCCAIN-FEINGOLD. |
| 00:05:56 | AS I WRITE IN MY BOOK, WE TALK ABOUT THE BAD THE BEEN ACTUALLY HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THESE CORRUPT CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE WHILE VOTING ON IT. |
| 00:06:06 | THE IDEA THAT THIS GENTLEMAN THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO BACK TO UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PARTY, THAT IS A COMPLETE DEFEATIST ATTITUDE. |
| 00:06:17 | WHAT HE IS FORGETTING IS THAT THINGS ARE MUCH BETTER IN THE 2008 ELECTION WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE THESE HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE CITIZENS UNITED HAD NOT YET OCCURRED AND WE HAD BANNED SOFT MONEY TO THE PARTY. |
| 00:06:29 | WHAT HAPPENED? PEOPLE WANT MORE DEMOCRATIC -- WENT THE MORE DEMOCRATIC ROUTE. |
| 00:06:39 | PEOPLE WHO |
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